A few obedience problems

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A few sheltie problems

Hello, my sheltie Sammy, who will turn two in October needs some training. She is not housebroken and she never pees in her room, which is our laundry room. She likes to do both… things in the guest bedroom. She also chews on a lot of things, like stuffed animals and DS games (both have been shredded before) and she won't be quiet and whenever we say we are going to put her up or give her a bath she runs off. She also likes to bite a lot, not painful but slobbery. My whole family wants her to be trained, once she is we can take her to our relatives worry-free!
 
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Hello, my sheltie Sammy, who will turn two in October needs some training. She is not housebroken and she never pees in her room, which is our laundry room. She likes to do both… things in the guest bedroom.

What do you do right now when she pees innappropriately? E.g., pretend she just peed/poo'd on the floor (is it carpet or hardwood, btw?). What do you do? For some general advice, though:

Here's a good link on housetraining:
http://www.wonderpuppy.net/canwehelp/htdogs.htm

Based on what you say, two things pop into my mind as possibilities: 1) where did you get Sammy? If you got her from a pet store or she is a rescue dog, it is likely that she came from a mill. If so, such dogs are never given an appropriate place to relieve themselves and are as such taught to go "wherever." 2) You may not have reinforced her properly when teaching her toilet training, which is very easy to do if you're not "in the know," so don't feel bad! Have you done the following:

1. Only scolded her when you catch her "in the act" with a single firm "no"? (no yelling or screaming--this will just confuse and upset the dog.)
2. Take the dog out immediately when you catch them "in the act" and praise them lavishly (with a treat) if they finish their business outside?
3. Praise and treat lavishly when they've done the right thing and gone outside?

She also chews on a lot of things, like stuffed animals and DS games (both have been shredded before)

Here's some good links on chewing:

http://www.perfectpaws.com/chew.html
http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/behavior.html#chewing
http://www.doglogic.com/apdtfaqs.htm#Destructive

have you provided her with plenty of chew toys of her own? If she is still chewing on your things, here's what you can do.

1. First of all, teach your dog the command "drop it" and "leave it." (I use "drop it" and "leave it" as one command, but whatever works for you.) Once a dog has something in their mouth, don't take it out of their mouth. When wolves communicate in a pack, it is a *huge* no-no to grab something from another dog/wolf's mouth. Once it's there, it's theirs. Instead, proffer something more tempting than whatever they have--a cookie/biscuit, a piece of chicken/liver, whatever they really like. Say "drop it" as your proffer the treat. The dog will immediately drop whatever they have. Give them the treat and lavish them with praise.

For "leave it", hold a treat in your hand and let the dog smell it. Enclose the treat in a fist so that the dog can't get to it. When the dog turns away their head, give them another treat that you hold in your other hand. (not the one you're offering to them.) This may take awhile, but eventually the dog will get bored and will do it. Do this a few times and then, once they realize that turning away causes the reward, add in the command "leave it." The dog should now turn away their head whenever the command is given. Finally, start dropping treats on the ground and saying "leave it." If the dog leaves it, give them a treat (again, not the one you dropped) and praise lavishly. If they go for the treat, give a firm "AH-AH", "UH-OH" or "NUH-UH" (don't yell or get angry, again, this tends to confuse the dog) and cover the treat with your foot so they cannot get it. Eventually, the "leave it" response will basically be automatic; the dog will turn toward you when you say these words, because they are magical words which give them treats.

2. Now. You see your dog going for something which is inappropriate. If you can catch them before they actually start to chew, say "leave it, mine." and give them a treat and lavish praise. Then give them something of their own to chew on, like a toy or a rawhide. When I give it to them, I usually say "yours." I'm not sure if this actually does anything or not, but it hasn't hurt because he goes for his toys first now. If she keeps going for the inappropriate item, say "AH-AH" and keep him in your site. You may try removing the item if she keeps going after it, though hopefully a treat and a rawhide is enough to make her stop.

3. Sometimes you turn your back for a minute, and they've gotten something you want. In this case, use "drop it, mine." (or, if you're like me, you just use the leave it command again.) The dog should drop it. Treat, praise lavishly, and give them their toy, saying, "Yours."

Eventually, the treat should be unnecessary, and eventually, your dog should automatically go for their own items since they will begin to realize that they are yours. (dogs, being hierarchical animals--as much as i don't go in for "dominance training"--do have a sense of property.)

and she won't be quiet

Training a dog to be quiet can be tricky. Here's a good link on the subject:

http://www.perfectpaws.com/bark.html

for some additional tips, I like to teach my dog to speak. (I know, crazy, right?!) If you have some control over a dog's barking habits, you can get them to bark when you want instead of when they want. Dogs like to bark, and for many dogs (especially shelties!) barking is it's own reward. If you give them a time when barking is okay, I think that makes them happy. Also, let the dog bark once or twice if something is at the door or something particularly exciting is going on; then tell them to stop. It's normal for dogs to want to let you know what's happening.

For teaching 'quiet,' give the command. never, ever, ever yell at a dog to tell them to be quiet. They think that you're barking with them, and that actually encourages them. Say quiet in a normal voice and accompany with a hand signal (I put my forefinger to my lips like "shhh".) The dog isn't going to stop barking right away, but if they do--even for just for two or three seconds--say "good quiet!" very enthusiastically, give them a treat, and pet them a lot. It could take a long time. A long time. Unfortunately, you will just have to let your patience outlast the dog's.

Some people also have great luck with a shake can. When the dog barks, shake a can with coins in it. They find this noise very alarming and will usually stop. Wait a couple seconds and praise the dog ('Good quiet!') and treat them.

and whenever we say we are going to put her up or give her a bath she runs off. She also likes to bite a lot, not painful but slobbery. My whole family wants her to be trained, once she is we can take her to our relatives worry-free!

I'm not sure what you mean by "put her up"--you mean in the crate? In either case, a good way to do this is to treat. If you can have osmeone with you while you give a bath, have them hold a treat and treat her occasionally while in the tub. Make it something extra good, since bath time is not fun time for any dog (or hardly any dog, anyway.) Reward the end of a bath with a beloved activity, like a game of fetch, a walk around the neighborhood (unless it's cold, of course!), a game of tug, whatever she loves to do.
 
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Excellent Advice

Sailor_Titan, has given you some brilliant advice there.

All I can add is that everything takes time and patience, it won't happen overnight but it will happen eventually. Good luck with it all.
 
Ok

sailor_titan, she only goes on carpet and she knows drop it. She has something, we say drop it about five times and she drops it and picks it up again. And "up" means in her room (the laundry room) And after peeing we are like, "Sammy, no!" And all I know was we adopted her from some lady's house with four or five puppies running around. She was pure-bred.
 
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sailor_titan, she only goes on carpet

I suspect that she may be smelling her pee/poo on the carpet and going again in those spots. Dogs will look for areas they've "gone before" and go again in those areas. Do you use a pet stain remover that is specifically formulated to remove pee smell odors? Dogs can smell 40x as well as humans so you unfortunately will probably need some kind of product that is specifically made to remove pet odors. Most people like Nature's Miracle; all of my floors are hardwood, so I have no experience with how well it works.

and she knows drop it. She has something, we say drop it about five times and she drops it and picks it up again.

Do you only tell her to drop things when she's in trouble/in a circumstance when you don't want her to do something? If so, you may want to try reinforcing the command in a play setting, so it isn't a command she necessarily associates with a reprimand. (I have this problem with my own dog and come...I have a tendency only to call him when it's time to go inside and stop playing, so he is naturally reluctant, lol! Working on that...) Some stuff I've heard suggested is playing a fetch game and asking the dog to "drop it" each time you fetch. Or swapping toys, asking the dog to drop each toy as you hand them another (possibly with treats in between.)

Do you reward her after she finally drops it? Even if it takes you five times, you should praise her when she does it, and probably treat her if you're not doing so already. I know that when you're frustrated at your animal, the last thing you feel like doing is praising it. But they don't understand why we are frustrated when they have done what we've asked--even if it takes five, ten, twenty times...:lol:

And "up" means in her room (the laundry room)

Do you feed her in the laundry room? If not, start doing so. Make the laundry the site of pleasant things. Give her treats when she goes in the laundry (or if she never 'goes' there, when you put her in there.) If you've fed her there awhile and it gets to be that she'll go in there of her own accord, you could also try doing training sessions (dogs like training if you keep it positive...and give treats, lol) or giving special treats in the laundry room, like kong balls filled with peanut butter (I like to give my puppers kong treat balls filled with frozen cottage cheese or yogurt. Of course, you could give her these treats when she's shut in there, too.)

Also, if you are only putting her in there when you go away or it's time to go to bed at night, try shutting her in for brief periods (no more than a few seconds to start) and letting her out, so she doesn't see it as a place where she's shut up for long periods of time. (shutting her in just during food time will help, too.)

And after peeing we are like, "Sammy, no!"

What do you do afterward--do you take her outside? Do you praise her if she goes outside, etc.? If you haven't tried the tips I mentioned before, try those first. If you're doing all of those things (including using a good carpet cleaner that will get kid of urine odors that only the dog can smell) give a few more details and I'll try my best to come up with a solution. :-)
 
Sailor Titan has it all wrapped up neatly for you. All I can add is that the training can take some time & you shouldn't get discouraged. If you use the advice given in a consistent manner, it should work. Good luck!
 
Sailor Titan has it all wrapped up neatly for you. All I can add is that the training can take some time & you shouldn't get discouraged. If you use the advice given in a consistent manner, it should work. Good luck!

consistency is a big key and it will take some time.
 
Lots of good advice already so I will just add a couple of things.
She is an adolescent - when mine were teens my vet/behaviourist told me to assume they had forgotten everything they have ever learnt and treat them like puppies if they slip up - that goes with toileting, biting, playing etc. It isnt that unusual for them to revert to puppy behaviour.

To learn best a dog needs to know what they are allowed to do - not just what is wrong. So if she chews on something bad, tell her no but then give her something she is allowed to chew on, with toileting thats why you take them outside if they pee inside. Make sure you praise when she is quiet and being a good girl.

I taught my dogs what shoosh-ing was. Whenever they were quiet a held my finger to my lips and went shhhh. So now they know that is the signal for quiet and as soon as they are quiet (even if it takes ages) I praise them.

Does she have something she is allowed to chew on? Some dogs are chewers so its best to give her own things to chew on - she will soon learn what is ok. Altho you need to give her dog toys that are different enough from the stuffed animals you referred to so she doesnt get them mixed up. I give my male who chews rawhide to chew and bones. I know some vets dont like rawhide and bones but it keeps him happy.

Does anyone have a sheltie that doesnt panic when its bath time?:lol:
 
This is all great advise! I agree with Caro, they can revert back to puppy behavior so you have to keep on it. The last time CeCe peed inappropriatly I knew she was made at me, because she was looking right at me when she peed on the couch. Oh she knew it was bad, she went outside then immediately went to time out. She absolutly knew how mad I was by that behavior. I showed it in my voice and my body language. Dogs can read those things. I think you just have to know your dog, and know what they are trying to say to you. The more you can communicate to the dog the behavior you are after, instead of what the dog wants, the happier both you and your dog will be.
 
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