Chandler's B12 level Blood tests

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The vet called a little while ago and got the blood tests back. To start his B12 level is below 150 he said normal should be 249-733. He said this could be due to a few different reasons bacteria in the intestines,his pancreas, and than asked if I would bring him in tomorrow for his first appt. We will give him a b12 shot which we will do every 4-5 days and than said I will go over all his results with you tomorrow in person including all the reasons his B12 can be low. I know he had been in an emergency surgery and I could tell he was exhausted so I understand him wanting to wait until tomorrow when he has a clear head. Plus knowing things we have gone through in the past I also know he likes to weigh all his options over night and proceed clearheaded in the morning. I am also going to take another fecal sample in to be tested. I am hoping the B12 shots will boost his energy a bit. I'll repost on this thread tomorrow when we return from the vets with any new information. Thanks again to everyone for your support and suggestions through all of this.

Dawn,Chandler.and Gypsy
 
giving raw liver is very helpful as it contains massive doses of natural Vit B 12 and would improve anemia, which usually comes with Vit B 12 deficiency

B12 deficiency is the cause of pernicious anemia, an anemic disease that was usually fatal and had unknown etiology when it was first described in medicine. The cure, and B12, were discovered by accident. George Whipple had been doing experiments in which he induced anemia in dogs by bleeding them, and then fed them various foods to observe which diets allowed them fastest recovery from the anemia produced. In the process, he discovered that ingesting large amounts of liver seemed to most-rapidly cure the anemia of blood loss. Thus, he hypothesized that liver ingestion might treat pernicious anemia. He tried this and reported some signs of success in 1920.

After a series of careful clinical studies, George Richards Minot and William Murphy set out to partly isolate the substance in liver which cured anemia in dogs, and found that it was iron. They also found that an entirely different liver substance cured pernicious anemia in humans, that had no effect on dogs under the conditions used. The specific factor treatment for pernicious anemia, found in liver juice, had been found by this coincidence. Minot and Murphy reported these experiments in 1926. This was the first real progress with this disease. Despite this discovery, for several years patients were still required to eat large amounts of raw liver or to drink considerable amounts of liver juice.
 
SheltieChe said:
giving raw liver is very helpful as it contains massive doses of natural Vit B 12 and would improve anemia, which usually comes with Vit B 12 deficiency

B12 deficiency is the cause of pernicious anemia, an anemic disease that was usually fatal and had unknown etiology when it was first described in medicine. The cure, and B12, were discovered by accident. George Whipple had been doing experiments in which he induced anemia in dogs by bleeding them, and then fed them various foods to observe which diets allowed them fastest recovery from the anemia produced. In the process, he discovered that ingesting large amounts of liver seemed to most-rapidly cure the anemia of blood loss. Thus, he hypothesized that liver ingestion might treat pernicious anemia. He tried this and reported some signs of success in 1920.

After a series of careful clinical studies, George Richards Minot and William Murphy set out to partly isolate the substance in liver which cured anemia in dogs, and found that it was iron. They also found that an entirely different liver substance cured pernicious anemia in humans, that had no effect on dogs under the conditions used. The specific factor treatment for pernicious anemia, found in liver juice, had been found by this coincidence. Minot and Murphy reported these experiments in 1926. This was the first real progress with this disease. Despite this discovery, for several years patients were still required to eat large amounts of raw liver or to drink considerable amounts of liver juice.
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Thanks for all the info. I've tried both cooked and raw liver recently thinking it would help him and as usual he turned away but I'm hoping maybe we can come up with something tomorrow that will help calm his stomach and will try it again soon.:yes:
 
The B12 shots will definately give him more energy. I have B12 def on and off and can attest to how tired, lethargic and forgetful I get when my B12 is low. I know low levels can cause symptoms similar to brain tumours (in humans at least) so its important to keep on top of it. Hopefully he will be back eating once his levels are up.
 
*Caro said:
The B12 shots will definately give him more energy. I have B12 def on and off and can attest to how tired, lethargic and forgetful I get when my B12 is low. I know low levels can cause symptoms similar to brain tumours (in humans at least) so its important to keep on top of it. Hopefully he will be back eating once his levels are up.
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Well that is encouraging news !! Maybe I should get one when I'm there also.

Thanks again for all your input,
Dawn,Gypsy,and Chandler
 
My twin sister has iron def. annemia (I suspect I might have it as well, but have not made it to the doctor yet). Liver is also a very good source of iron. :biggrin2:


It's also honking nasty. :lol:
 
Jessica this is just a wild guess but is your sister the shyer twin? :razz::lol:
I have tried liver cooked and raw,beef and chicken. he was eating freeze dried liver bites up until 3 wks ago he used to love them and lost interest with these as well. Hopefully the vet has some good info. this morning.
 
I hope the B12 shot will give Chandler a boost of energy and increase his appetite.

This might be completely off course, but has your vet checked his mouth for any cracked teeth or abnormalities. You mentioned that he gets excited about food, but then won't eat it. Maybe something inside his mouth hurts when he tries to eat?
 
ClantyreSheltie said:
Try freezing the liver. I have one dog who won't eat it unless it's a frozen liver-cicle, and can you blame him? Liver is gross!
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Hi Rachel, That's something I haven't tried so we will put that on today's menu I have plenty in the freezer. I don't know if you saw I posted yesterday that I purchased the new book you were so excited about last month I can't wait to get it. Thanks for the suggestions.

Dawn,Chandler,and Gypsy
 
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