Control Unleashed Discussion Group

romeosangiovese

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This is for those who are reading or who have read the Control Unleashed book (or watched the DVD or attended a seminar!) by Leslie McDevitt.

It might be good if we each post a message here saying if we read/watched/attended the book/dvd/seminar (and how far we've read the book or watched the dvd), what the issue is with our sheltie(s) and if we've made any progress using CU techniques so far.

(I'll do mine later. Got to get to work!!)
 
where did

you buy it from. I have searched our local Chapters store and they don't have it.
I am in Canada.

Tks.
Leanne.
 
Hi,

I bought it from cleanrun.com. They shipped it out the next day. Amazon also has it from some 3rd party source, i.e. you need to pay shipping.
 
you buy it from. I have searched our local Chapters store and they don't have it.
I am in Canada.

Tks.
Leanne.

I haven't found it in Canada either - either through Chapters, eBay or Amazon.ca

However on each of these sites, there is a separate ad saying you can order it from 4mdogbooks.com. Probably through the US as well, so you might have to pay a small shipping fee.
 
This is for those who are reading or who have read the Control Unleashed book (or watched the DVD or attended a seminar!) by Leslie McDevitt.

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I've not read it yet but am anxious to read the experience of others on the forum. So if you don't mind, I'll just lurk abit! (I'll try not to butt in!) :biggrin2:
 
I'm going to lurk also. I've tried so many things in an effort to help Spencer with some of his behavior issues. So, if by lurking, CU looks helpful, I'll order the book and try yet another thing.
 
I got mine from cleanrun.com too! If those not reading, but are interested, do feel free to ask questions! Nothing beats reading the book or watching the DVD of course, but it might help you better determine whether these techniques will help.

I'm now at Night Two (Chapter 4) of the book.

THE ISSUES

Romeo's problem is that he wants to engage with all dogs on his walk. If he spots a dog in the distance, he goes into alert mode and it's like he's SO FOCUSSED on the other dog that he doesn't hear me. It's like trying to get to him through a thick glass wall! When the dog gets closer, he'll bark and get all aroused then will try to get at the dog. Not to destroy the dog but to PLAY WITH IT. sigh. When we walk by people, he will also move towards the passerby and try to sniff the person's legs (I live in a country where there are muslims and they can't touch dogs so this is a problem). I would prefer if he learnt to ignore other dogs and people when we're on walks and stop trying to engage with every moving thing unless we actually intend for him to do so. I don't want to pull him out of the way and drag his bum away from the dog/person. It'll be nice to learn how to get him to relax when he gets aroused and excited.

Then there is the "Mum does not exist" syndrome when we're outside of the house and not on walks (using our regular routes). At a dog run, I don't exist. When we go to other places for walks, I don't exist. He'll be too busy scanning the environment, marking trees, playing with dogs, etc. While I don't expect him to pay attention to me all the time, it would be nice if he checked in with me more often or at least once! I would like to have some control over him outdoors!

WHAT WE ARE DOING

I've started, over the last two weeks, on the Look At That 'game' with Romeo while we're on walks. I'm doing it concurrently with playing it indoors, clicking and treating when he looks at the remote control, or his favourite toy. In the beginning, it was hard to get his attention. Oftentimes he doesn't even hear the click. Now he's improved and I would click when he looks at a motorcycle (this scares him a bit), people at a distance and at barking dogs (behind fences) and he would turn towards me when he hears it. Hopefully over time, he'll just look at me everytime he sees these things! Classical conditioning!

I'm having some problems gauging how far he needs to be away from another dogs to play the LAT game because when I do it now (even tho' the dog is quite a distance away - I can't gauge in feet sorry!) he's already in alert mode and he doesn't hear the click.

I LOVE PREMACK! I've been trying to better Romeo's recall and have been using the Premack principle. I can now stuff liver treats (super high value) into a corner of the sofa and when he's engaged in trying to pull it out with his long sheltie snout, I can call him and he'll give a huff of resignation, give up trying in ONE second and come to me!! I used to have to stand there for minutes making stupid lip smacking noises to get him to come. When he comes, I click and we go back excitedly to the sofa to pull out the liver treat. We will work on it outdoors now so that hopefully with time I can get him to leave really high value things outdoors too and come when called. I've been using premack on walks too. There are certain trees that Romeo MUST sniff and he will pull me towards them when he's about 6 feet away from it. I hate that, so now, I will ask him to sit next to me then we heel for a few feet, and when he does, I'll click then send him to sniff the tree (that's the reward). He gets the tree if he comes and sits and heels nicely. He now does the sitting and heeling with GREAT enthusiasm that I always end up laughing.

I've also been teaching Romeo self control with the Leave Its already but upping the ante as suggested in the book. It would be nice to leave 5 of whole sausages around him and walk away and be sure he doesn't touch them! He's a sneaky one tho' and will stick his looong mouth out to grab food when he's sure I can't get to him in time. Grr. Must back it up a step.

One other thing I've been doing which I picked up from the book is to get the dog to reorientate to you the minute you open the door/gate to the outside world (and also for me, when I open the gate into the dog run). Holding on to the leash, when Romeo crosses the threshold, I'd stand still and not move. The minute he turns to look at me, I click and treat him. Apparently this is so that the dog doesn't see these doorways as gates to a world without mum. I used to put Romeo on a sit stay then open the door/gate and say Release! and off he would go without turning to look back to see if I'm still there. It's reinforcing running away from mum!! Hopefully this tip will condition him to check in with me even tho' he's crossed the doors/gates.

Relaxation Protocol - I've been doing Karen Overall's relaxation protocol (I think this is available online). Not sure if I'm getting it right!!! I feel like I'm just going through the steps. I can't tell if Romeo is becoming more relaxed with increased activity going on around him. One of the things the book teaches is to teach your dog to relax faster and quicker if and when it becomes aroused. I think something like, if Romeo goes into alert mode when he sees another dog, this relaxation protocol teaches him to calm down faster and move on away from the dog. Like an "Off" switch to their arousal. We've only been doing it in my bedroom after his walks, so he hasn't gotten up when I walk around him and clap, or jog back and forth yet. I dread the day I have to "run 10 steps away and pretend to talk to someone on the phone" outdoors. :lol:
 
Thanks for the great summary! I'll add my experiences next week after I get back from vacation and Ginger and I really begin to work on all this.

The geese are all around our house now. Ginger hears them and even from inside wants to go chase.
 
I found some great videos on Youtube that shows what CU can do for your dog. This is a corgi that underwent classes with Leslie McDevitt I think.

Here's a clip of the dog before he started the CU training.

Here's the Look At That game in action - I can totally relate to the over threshold part when the dog doesn't respond to the click!!

I love the recall game video that Gingers Mom shared. If I can get that kind of "check ins" from Romeo off lead I would be ecstatic! It'd be one of those 'if he can drive (I had the means!), I'd buy him a Ferrari' moments.

A link explaining the Relaxation Protocol. And this is video showing what it's supposed to look like.

This here links to a PDF file that has an explanation of the protocol and also the list of tasks to do each day (eg. sit for 5 secs, take one step back and return, etc etc). Do them in a super low distraction place then work around the rest of the house (doing all 15 days tasks for each location), then try it outdoors!
 
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