Ethylene glycol puppy near tragedy

lroggli

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Good news first: Milli is fine right now.
Potential bad news: she might have kidney damage.
The problem: what do I FEED her????

The story:
Milli was 12 weeks old when I was asked to foster her at the end of June. We worked on house training even with a trip out of state (with the crate, the toys, the food, etc.). At high noon on the Fourth of July (hot, hot hot), she licked the DRY pavement of our driveway before I could stop her (it looked like she was licking bird poop, honestly).

Several hours later, she was lethargic, walking like she was drunk and I panicked. Raced to the ER but they seemed unconcerned. As an afterthought, they suggested we test for ethylene glycol poisoning. I was non-plussed. We don't even STORE antifreeze at home because we have two other dogs and I know the dire consequences.

I was shocked to find out she was POSITIVE for ethylene glycol in her system!!!!! Thank goodness there is an antidote (I had no idea there was even a test for it, let alone an antidote). She spend three days at the ER vet with IV fluids and the antidote, pronounced "cured" and came home to a very relieved family.

After that kind of trauma, I couldn't let her go - we adopted her immediately and fell in love. I was actually afraid the rescue group wouldn't let me adopt her because of the incident (oh if you only knew how CAREFUL I am with my furry friends - this was devastating - how could I let this happen¿???).

The aftermath: Milli's BUN and phosphorus are elevated ... creatinine is normal. Vet put her on a phosphate binder (Epakitin) and ordered a low protein diet (Royal Canin kidney mixed with senior canned food). I hate commercial food, so supplemented with some home cooked protein (lamb and beef = no chicken since it is higher in phosphates) blended with rice and lots of water.

Retest showed lower levels but still too high. I am flummoxed. I have read site after site that contradict each other -- "yes to dairy" vs "dairy is high in phosphorus;" "never feed kidney diet to puppies;" "commercial foods are the only way to balance the nutrition for puppies" vs "home cooked is fine for puppies;" " high protein is terrible for puppies" vs "high protein is essential for puppies."

Honestly, I don't know what to do. I went to Phydeaux (cute name for a dog store, eh?) and read every label of canned food. Most were pretty high protein (the kidney diet is only 6% protein). Most don't give the phosphorus levels but I steered away from chicken and organ meats. In the end, I bought several different brands (senior formula) and mixed them with home cooked protein and rice and veggies.

But...am I killing my darling Milli with too much protein? Should I just give up and feed her that darned canned food with a little kibble at the end for her teeth?

I wish I had a good answer...perhaps the wisdom of the forum can help?

I feel so bad about the whole thing, I just want to do what's best for Milli so she can lead a long, vivacious life to match her sparkling personality!
 

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I don't have the answer for you, just wanted to say it wasn't your fault, these things happen. But at least you were there to take care of her.

Hopefully someone with more knowledge will come along soon. I'm glad she is ok now.
 
First of all...welcome to the Sheltie Nation. Your puppy is absolutely adorable, those little ears crack me up. She is just a cutie pie. Great thinking on your part, getting her to the vet immediately so they can get her treatment. She is very lucky to have such a great person looking after her.

As far as a food, I do not have any suggestions for you. There are many people on the forum here who are way more knowledgable on food for our pups, and have done extensive research on the subject.

Again, welcome and we look forward to pictures of your little girl growing up to be a healthy vibrant Sheltie.

Danielle
 
Great looking pup.

I recommend you quit cheating. If you don't agree with the vet ask and discuss. Personally you did not do as recommended and it is not working so why not try the recommendation? Would the recommended diet be permanent or just to get her system back in sync (ask)? If permanent is there choices that better fit the goals you have? I don't mean this mean as you are certainly attempting to do the absolute best but it seems you are working against the vet rather than with them.
 
Milli is adorable!

I also don't know anything about food. There are much more knowledgeable members on this forum than me, but I'm sure you will do what's best for Milli.

Dog food is very confusing. For every article that says high protein is good, there is another that says it's bad. There's contradicting articles for everything. It will make your head spin.

I wish you and Milli the best of luck and try not to be too hard on yourself. Things like this happen all the time. Milli is just lucky that she had such a good foster mom, who took her to the ER right away.
 
Following vet suggestions

My vet is a bit old school - doesn't believe AT ALL in home cooked nutrition, but my other guys are doing fabulously on my home cooking.

Vet said to feed commercial senior formula which I am doing, but even the "premium" brands aren't as good as fresh cooked from my kitchen. It's a stretch for me to even feed ANY of my dogs the canned stuff, but I am doing it on her behalf.

So I am supplementing with a very dilute mixture of lamb and macaroni (better than rice re: phosphorus). But there may simply be kidney damage because of the accident and she may have this problem forever. Not sure whether the diet will be permanent or not. I will say that feeding commercial is a lot simpler than cooking!!! Ah, for those good old days....

Next step is a complete urinalysis which will happen in the morning (if I remember to catch that first little pee-pee!). She is SO full of life it's hard to believe anything is wrong at all.

Thanks for your kind words and encouragement. I followed my instincts on taking her to ER (my physician husband said she'd be OK in the morning....not!) but of course she got sick on a holiday and the fees were TWICE as much as usual! ; - ) She's worth every penny, though.

Follow up -- the vet bills were $2k, then found out the radiator in my hubby's car was leaking .. another $2k!! Expensive month for us!

We have now converted all our antifreeze to propylene glycol instead of ethylene glycol to be even more prudent. I think we need a campaign to make antifreeze sour instead of sweet! Too many animals die needlessly.
hugs
Linda
 
One of our member's recently recommended a book called Raw and Natural Nutrition for Dogs by Lew Olsen it addresses both Raw and Cooked diets for different illnesses. Lew Olsen is an AKC judge and has shown and raised dogs for over 30 years. She has a PHD in natural health and specializes in canine digestion.
There is an area in the book on kidney disease and diet with some added recipes
but she also recommends a group on yahoo called K9KidneyDiet.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K9KidneyDiet/) she says they have helpful members willing to answer questions and you will also find diets and a wealth of info on kidney related information.
She also said you can find a more detailed acct of how to care for a dog with renal failure at Mary Strauss website (www.dogaware.com/kidney.html) where you will also find a wealth of information on how to feed and treat dogs with kidney problems and an excellent list of low phosphorous foods.
I hope this helps your beautiful puppy. Keep us up to date. I'll keep her in my prayers.
 
One of our member's recently recommended a book called Raw and Natural Nutrition for Dogs by Lew Olsen it addresses both Raw and Cooked diets for different illnesses. Lew Olsen is an AKC judge and has shown and raised dogs for over 30 years. She has a PHD in natural health and specializes in canine digestion.
There is an area in the book on kidney disease and diet with some added recipes
but she also recommends a group on yahoo called K9KidneyDiet.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K9KidneyDiet/) she says they have helpful members willing to answer questions and you will also find diets and a wealth of info on kidney related information.
She also said you can find a more detailed acct of how to care for a dog with renal failure at Mary Strauss website (www.dogaware.com/kidney.html) where you will also find a wealth of information on how to feed and treat dogs with kidney problems and an excellent list of low phosphorous foods.
I hope this helps your beautiful puppy. Keep us up to date. I'll keep her in my prayers.

These are excellent resources. You are basicly want a low phosphus moderate protein diet. If the levels are not improving at the point you will need a low protein diet. It doesn't matter if you make it or buy it focus on low phosphus and moderate protein balanced diet at this point. Also try to get her to drink as much as possible. Water will help flush the kidneys which is why kibble is worse than canned in kindey cases. In the end the bloodwork will tell you your next step. Good luck with your little one. Milli looks like a little spitfire. :smile2:
 
Just thought I would mention my Gypsy had the same ears as a pup and She eventually grew into them.LOL:lol::lol::lol:
On another note I am not a food expert at all that is why I mentioned these websites Lew Olsen mentioned in her book. If this is a life long problem the book may be worth the investment it is very easy to understand and has alot of great info including supplement info.
Again wishing you and Milli a great healthy life together.
 
Those ears...

I keep thinking she will grow into her ears but the ears are growing right along with her. And they prick up -- ack! DOesn't even look like a Sheltie!!!

I bought Lew's book the minute I saw it mentioned here and it is wonderful. A voice of sanity amid all the contradictory info out there.

I also bought the Whole Dog series of books (haven't added to my dog library in quite a while until Milli arrived), which seem to have sound advice. Their reviews of dog food got me interested, although they have more focus on dry food in 2010.

I daresay Milli is getting enough water, though. She is a quite, uh shall we say enthusiastic grass waterer!!

Thanks for being there for her...

Sheltie hugs
Linda
 
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