Nick_Knipp
Forums Novice
I cant remember exactly if my dog has pedigree papers, My mother did most of the purchase when I was younger, which was 5 years ago.
Is there a way I can find out?
Is there a way I can find out?
How to find Pedigrees
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danisgoat
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I would contact the breeder. Most good breeders keep records of their litters, and the registration number of their pups. They should be able to give you enough information so that you can request papers again from the AKC.
Why do you need the papers?
If it is for a performance sport in AKC you can also just go ahead and get an ILP or PAL number.
Why do you need the papers?
If it is for a performance sport in AKC you can also just go ahead and get an ILP or PAL number.
Nick_Knipp
Forums Novice
good idea, my mother cannot find the pedigree papers... (smh) I tried to create an account on akc and they mentioned credit card, i instantly left the page.
i need the papers cause i may want to breed him one day.
BarbV
Forums Celebrity
Respectfully, I have to ask if you don't already know the pedigrees of your dog, then perhaps you really should not be considering breeding?
In reality, there are purebreds, and then there are other purebreds (not so much!)
Being a purebred is no guarantee. It's only through careful and diligent breeding programs that new litters should be considered.
The breeding of dog to bitch without consideration of bloodline, is what is commonly referred to as Backyard breeding.
Personally, I feel very strongly against it. But that is just my personal opinion. I'm sorry, because I'm sure that it not what you want to hear.
In reality, there are purebreds, and then there are other purebreds (not so much!)
Being a purebred is no guarantee. It's only through careful and diligent breeding programs that new litters should be considered.
The breeding of dog to bitch without consideration of bloodline, is what is commonly referred to as Backyard breeding.
Personally, I feel very strongly against it. But that is just my personal opinion. I'm sorry, because I'm sure that it not what you want to hear.
ClantyreSheltie
Forums Sage
I can attest that AKC only uses the credit card to verify ID and address. I have an account that I use frequently.
Remember that purebred doesn't mean well bred. Papers are no guarantee of anything other than lineage.
BarbV
Forums Celebrity
Ah, you said it better than me!
Nick_Knipp
Forums Novice
reason i dont know is because i was 17 years at the time, my mother made the purchase and did all the paperwork. i was outsite playing with puppy baron and his brothers/sisters. we got him from a breeder, the lady had more than 50 shelties at the property, it was the most ive seen. I wish I knew who the breeder was, id certainly ask her. my mother did say Baron had papers for Pedigree, idk where they are.
if people want puppies from my Baron, then thats fine. I dont see any wrong with it. purebred or not, theres really not much difference to me.
i'm pretty sure my mother paid cash for Baron. idc if he was purebred or not, hes still a great dog to me, a very healthy and smart one too. My fathers shelty has a lot of allergies and common 'eye' problems.
ClantyreSheltie
Forums Sage
No, AKC uses the credit card information to verify that you are who you say you are before they give you access to any dog's information. Since you will be able to make changes to their records from that program, they want to ensure that they have the right person.
As to breeding, I personally would not choose to breed a dog where I don't have basic pedigree information, because I also then don't have basic health information on any of the family. Which means I could easily produce and sell to unsuspecting people dogs with serious health issues that they get to deal with for 15 years. I don't want the guilt associated with that, which is why I am very careful who and what I breed. Nobody wants a dog that costs them $3000 a year in vet bills.
Nick_Knipp
Forums Novice
i gotcha about the credit card info. Thats exactly what I want to find out before i even think about breeding. I already know my dogs healthy as an ox, but his parents i have no idea.
Silaria
Forums Sage
Not that I want to encourage anyone to begin breeding their dog without proper memtorship from an experienced breeder but I wanted to state that you may also want to locate the original contract between your family and the breeder before you do anything.
Any reputable breeder selling a dog to a pet home will put a clause in their contract regarding the breeding of the dog. Breeding a dog your contract specifically states is not to be bred puts you in breech of contract. While you may not get sued over it, it's definitely a way to ensure no reputable breeder will sell to you ever again.
Reputable breeders also mark the AKC paperwork as "limited", meaning not to be bred, so any pups produced by that dog/bitch won't be recognized by the AKC regardless of pedigree.
If these clauses are not in the contract, I'd really think twice about breeding this dog regardless of how good you think he is because chances are the dog came from a backyard breeder or puppy mill. You don't have the knowledge and experience to pick up the subtle health deficiencies you could be passing along.
If you are seriously interested in breeding, start going to shows and talking to other Sheltie breeders. Join your local Sheltie breed club. Get a mentor you can teach you all the finer detailed about breeding quality dog that pass along only the best features of the breed.
Please don't become yet another uninformed breeder.
Any reputable breeder selling a dog to a pet home will put a clause in their contract regarding the breeding of the dog. Breeding a dog your contract specifically states is not to be bred puts you in breech of contract. While you may not get sued over it, it's definitely a way to ensure no reputable breeder will sell to you ever again.
Reputable breeders also mark the AKC paperwork as "limited", meaning not to be bred, so any pups produced by that dog/bitch won't be recognized by the AKC regardless of pedigree.
If these clauses are not in the contract, I'd really think twice about breeding this dog regardless of how good you think he is because chances are the dog came from a backyard breeder or puppy mill. You don't have the knowledge and experience to pick up the subtle health deficiencies you could be passing along.
If you are seriously interested in breeding, start going to shows and talking to other Sheltie breeders. Join your local Sheltie breed club. Get a mentor you can teach you all the finer detailed about breeding quality dog that pass along only the best features of the breed.
Please don't become yet another uninformed breeder.