Introducing Myself & Behavior Problem

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Hi Everyone,

It's good to find you. We have a 3 yr. old Sheltie, Blue Merl,Chloe, that we adopted from a rescue, at 9 months. We absolutely love her but she came with behavioral issues. When the rescue received her from her first family, she was filthy and came with no accoutrements one would buy a dog. No bed, collar, toys. The reason the family gave was that she didn't get along with their other dog, a small terrier. Chloe was skittish and aggressive at the same time. She still hopes to be top dog over our meek retreiver. She nips the retr. and jumps aggressively on her. Even peed on the retr's bed. She chases (not herds) our cat, growling, from time to time. (Our other cat taught her he's got sharper claws and she leaves him alone.) She barks aggitatedly when we go down stairs, poking our legs. She wants to go out but once there, turns around and barks at the sliding door, biting it. She goes into a barking frenzy when we use a whistling tea kettle, the blender, or have our beeping appliances go off. My husband has to take his blood reading in another room because she goes ballistic with the little reader beeper. She likes 2 of our adult sons and tries to bite our 20 yr. old. She goes into a frenzy whenever we go to hug each other, whether it be my husband and I or anyone. She came to us being familiar with a crate, yet not being housebroken. We had to trash our small living room rug and our den rug. I thought she progressed nicely in that dept. Here's where I need encouragement. Last wk, my sister stayed with her 3 kids, ages 15, 12, and 9. They were good kids and acted well. Chloe lunged for my niece (9) twice and once for my 12 yr. old neph. Both kids were just entering a room.
During the 4 days they were here, I eventually kept Chloe outside or up in my room. Even then, she wasn't happy and barked a lot. The day after they left, I noticed our dining room rug smelling awful. Turns out she peed over half of it. I don't know if she started this when they came or when we left her with our son in early July for a 4 day trip. (Our 20 yr. old took care of her) We don't use the d.room often. I've a feeling she may've started in July and really peed a lot when my family was here. Does anyone have a Sheltie who's this aggressive? Also, can you recommend a prof. cleaning co. that can save our rug? I've found one but would like more suggestions. Has anyone had similar behavior problems with their Shelties? When she barks/growls at our son, I make her lie down and I hold her by her collar. Still, this persists. He went to pet her yesterday and she bit his ring, not deeply. He's fed her and petted her at times. I think he could spend more time playing with her. On the other hand, she's loving to my husband and me, has the funniest, guiltiest looks on her face and is quite good at the "I'm a poor orphan" look. I could sure use Caesar now. Thank you.
 
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I just wanted to be sure that you have taken her to the vet and gotten the peeing checked out. It is always good to check for UTI before writing off as all behavor.

Assuming it is behavior, go back to the basics and treat her as a puppy. Schedule outdoor potty times, go outside with her. If she goes potty outside she gets a treat and "Good potty outside!". If you catch her in the act of peeing inside make a distracting noise, and promptly take her outside.

It may sound crazy, but many of the behaviors you listed are typical to many shelties. You can find hundreds of questions and videos of it. They can be a little nutty. You have to be dedicated about training them not do these things. Aztec gets worked up going up and down stairs, beeping things like the oven and our air conditioner drive him crazy. The trick is to catch it before the "crazy" level. Once they get there it is hard to get their focus at all. If you know something is going to be beeping (like your husband's reader) use it to your advantage. Have her in front of you on a leash. Teach her "Watch me", and repeat this to her over and over. Each time you get eye contact - give her that treat. Once she has learned it without the beeping, introduce the beeping. With the beeping keep making her watch you. Don't get frustrated if she barks, just keep going through the command. Most dogs would prefer working for a treat to going into a frenzy.

Shelties like (and need) jobs and routines. Aztec feels his job is fetching anything and everything, and finding people when I ask him to. It makes him happy...Give her something to do that she is good at, and that you can praise her for (a good behavior of course). How often does she get taken for walks?

The aggression towards people is not at all acceptable. First you need to analyze if it is fear aggression (defensive threat) or dominant aggression (offensive threat) these two aggressions have to be treated differently:

For offensive threat: I would get a slip collar (not a chain one, but a cloth one - you could also try a martingale) this is going to give you more control than a regular collar. When someone comes to visit use a leash. Make her sit or lay down. If she growls say "Uh uh" or "Ah ah". If she is sitting like a good girl and behaving, she gets a treat. If she gets up, give her a quick correction with the collar (not harsh, just so she gets the idea not to get up) .

For defensive threat: You need to show her that people are not a threat to her. Have her on leash, laying down, and have the other people visiting sit on the floor where they won't be looming over her. Don't have them make eye contact. Basically they need to ignore her. If she ignores them, she gets treats. She also gets treats if she is being nice to them. Any aggression gets a verbal correction.

You need to learn all her body postures through the leash. Laika had fear aggression with other dogs, and I learned to sense through the leash as soon as she was getting upset. I learned that if I distracted and worked with her right at that moment before it escalated she never got upset. She is now good with 95% of all dogs. But it took time and lots and lots of effort.
 
Welcome -- you'll get good advice here. We have some serious behavioral experts (see below!!). :yes:
 
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Welcome! It sounds like you have some serious issues to overcome. Aztec gave you some great advice and there are others here who also should be able to help. It's so hard when you get a dog who is old enough to already have bad habits. You just don't know what the poor thing has been subjected to make them behave as they do. Sometimes it's just lack of proper correction in the past. Hopefully the advice you'll get here will help you.
 
Welcome to the group! I hope you like it here as much as we do. Aztec has given some great advice, fortunately, I have not had any issues like this and can't even begin to offer any advice. Keep us posted on how Chloe does if you try some of Aztec's suggetions. Good luck!
 
Welcome! I'm so glad you joined.

Obviously, you are dedicated to working with her as you've kept her as long as you have.

Aztec gives great advice! Persistence and consistency is key! As she says, pretend she is a puppy and you're starting at the beginning. Good luck to you!
 
I agree that Aztec has given some great advice.

Make sure Chloe is getting enough physical exercise; In the "job" category you might consider putting her to work inside the house doing sits, downs, stays, whatever for meals, treats, play rewards. Mix it up and have fun with it.

I also recommend (Leslie McDevitt's) Controlled Unleashed book and her concept of mat work. The mat becomes a place that the dog loves to be, where it gets rewarded, feels secure, and can "re-set" itself.

You’re not the only one with issues, by the way. Welcome aboard and keep us posted.
 
Great advice Aztec!!! I'm a bit confused tho' - Chloe is 3 years old now? But you've had her since she was 9 months? Was she like you described for the last 2+ years? If so, she's had that long to repeat all her little "bits" and they could be very ingrained now. Kind of like a bad habit that's been going on so long that it's hard to kick. I'm gonna throw in some things that might also help.

1. Hand feeding
Have everyone in your family take turns feeding Chloe by the hand. This builds the bond between animal and human which may be lacking between Chloe and your kids.

2. Nothing in life is for free (NILIF)
Put in place the NILIF principle with Chloe. This is basically requesting that Chloe give you something for everything she wants. Eg. If she wants a treat, have her sit first. If she wants you to open the door to go outside, have her sit and wait first, then reward her by opening the door. She wants her kibbles? Sit and wait until after you put the bowl down and release her to go get it. I do this for pretty much everything that Romeo wants in life. I pamper him to death but he's got to work for it! Have everyone in your family do this. I "trained" all my family members to have Romeo sit or do a trick before giving him anything he would want. The dog learns to recognise that you control the resources but that there is a way to get to those resources - by listening to you!

3. Playpen
Consider keeping her in a playpen or an enclosed area (use babygates!) if you're leaving her unsupervised. Like advised below, treat her like a puppy until she settles down!

4. Time outs / Ignoring her
Chloe seems like an attention seeking dog. You could use time outs or just turning around and walking away when she's obviously wanting attention but just going nuts instead of playing or behaving calmly.

5. Take deep breaths
You'll need alot of patience with Chloe! And there will be days, or weeks where it just seems like there's no light at the end of the tunnel and she's just not improving. That's ok. We all go through this!! Take deep breaths, cry a little, then try harder! Also be thankful for any small improvement you see in Chloe!
 
Sounds like Chloe is a very timid dog and probably was not socialised as a pup during the critical stages. If the peeing has not due to a medical condition then I would say it is due to anxiety.

For a fearful dog children can be really scary - I wouldnt have her around kids until she becomes more confident. The attacking of your retriever probably is not aggression but fear. She knows your retriever will not lash out and has learnt this method of response. SHe needs to learn a different method of communicating with the retriever.

You mentioned she is crate trained. But how is she with the crate - do you think they used it to keep her locked up in. If so she may not see it as a safe haven so a playpen may be a better option (or a different sort of enclosure). She needs a safe place to go when she is feeling overwhelmed.

Agree with Aztecs comments about getting people to ignore her and giving her treats if she is calm when around others. Having people come up and want attention can be a bit overwhelming for a shy dog. Keep a supply of chicken or some other really yummy treat and ask visitors to give her some treats. Definately get your 20yr old to give her yummy treats - and if he could give her meals regularly that would be good.

Now I have some Victoria Stillwell episodes that dealt with the hugging issue so I will have a look at them and get back to you.

Sounds like this is a dog that would really benefit from some obedience training - it is great for confidence building in a shy dog.

And yep - shelties love barking at appliances. A behaviourist taught me to let them do controlled barking. They have to sit and wait until I give the release word (okay) and then they get to bark at it. Its a game for them and I dont have them barking the whole time.
 
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for advice with a lot of steps to take. I did belong to Sheltie Shack when that was running and I recognize some names here.

We haven't used the crate at night for maybe 2yrs. Yes, there's evidence in her behavior that former owners kept her in it too long.

Some of you may remember my Princess Leia story, last yr. We removed the life-size cut-out and it's been in the basement for 3 mo. Chloe still growls whenever we pass my son's room's closet. She still thinks Leia's in there! What a memory.

She & the retriever are close buddies, when Chloe's not attacking her. This happens coming into the sliding glass doors or going up the stairs. Chloe thinks she has to be first!

When they got groomed last month, the retriever stood up, put her paws on the table, and watched Chloe get worked on...the whole time! The groomer said she never saw a dog love her sister so much. Maybe our retriever is a masochist! :wink2:


I think we made a mistake of having her sleep in our room. Whenever a fam member wants to enter our room, Chloe goes ballistic, barking, growling, threatening them. We grab her by the collar and hold her, tell her "No."

Thanks. I'll keep you posted. --Sandy
 
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