It's never going to be "her", is it?

But all in all, shelties are not like terriers/hounds which have a high prey drive and will hunt any moving object down, granted it doesnt mean squirrels arent fair game, but thats mostly a herding get off my fence thing.:wink2:

You nailed it! That's exactly why the dogs go after squirrels. They scurry up and down my hydro lines, driving Indy bonkers! Hey, that's on MY property! :razz:

Even when we had the mink at the cottage last summer, the dogs were more intrigued by them scurrying about then anything. When Indy finally did get face to face with them, he just sniffed....not aggressive at all.
 
Hi :)

I'm a newbie myself, but I wanted to share. Your post (the OP) really hit home with me... I have had a LOT of similar feelings / experiences. It has been many years after losing the Sheltie I grew up with :( and at first I thought I'd never be ready for another Sheltie.
Then, like you, I thought I'd never find another "good one." I didn't really want to go the puppy route, because puppies are A LOT of work... so I gave up on the whole idea, more than once. After hitting several dead ends, and a couple crazy critters:uhoh:

But I found her. And while she's not "perfect", she's perfect for me ;)

So I just wanted to say, keep your chin up... and your heart open :winkgrin: She'll come to you in time, when you (& her) are both ready. And, it might not be exactly what you expect, but at the same time by no means do you have to "lower your standard" ;)
And... that you're not alone! I know almost exactly how you feel :)
((((hugs)))
 
MaybeSomeday

I suppose I should say hello. I do apologize for the jumbled mess you are about to read; my heart is aching for a dog- strike that, a friend, I've not seen in ten years now.Anyway. My name is Jen. I am dogless.


hello Jen (dogless)

you have received such a variety of counsel but at the same time there are such threads of continuity with them. take time to process the information.

just to tell you our story. we lost our Misty (collie) about 19 years ago in a tragic accident. my son, daughter and wife were devastated. her plot is in our back yard as my son helped conduct the burial ceremony. my wife said she would never get that close to a dog or any animal again.

fast forward 16 years and i had been asking for another dog and some great friends are sheltie breeders and have been for 20 yrs. through a series of events i received my Prince on my birthday 3 years ago. today my wife is closer (she thinks) to Prince than i am and the kids adore him and our new grand baby is really getting to know him. it is a joy to watch.

when we received Prince, we put no expectation on him other than to be a family pet who has turned into a member. we took training courses to be the best owners we could be and worked with him so he could be the best pet he could be. with all that we have been successful and cannot describe the joy.

sunday, 01-30-2011, i had the privilege of giving away my daughter in marriage and performing the ceremony. here is a picture of prince looking on as my daughter is getting her makeup done. we had a total of 8 women in my house at one time and with all that going on they all loved Prince and he walked around getting treats and doing tricks. i have also included a picture of my daughter holding our collie when she was 5 years old.

we could have never dreamed 19 years ago when lose and pain filled our house, what kind of joy would return to our home. i hope in some way this speaks......

Prince & the Faulks
 

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Just let me say, I understand your pain. No, it is NEVER going to be her, but that isn't a bad thing, it gives you an opportunity to form a different bond with another dog (read that friend) in your life. Let me share my story. In 1974 and I was almost 14 when I got Tiger (Redberry Happy Lady.) She was an 18 month old sable and white girl and she and I spent the next 3 or 4 years doing 4-H dog training meetings and 4H shows. She was smart and well trained and my very best friend. She had one litter of pups when I was in high school and we kept one because I wanted to try to show him. Long story short, Fonzie didn't work out as a show dog, but he was just as smart as his mama and they were both the most well behaved dogs I have ever met. We lost Tiger to mammary cancer when she was 12 and Fonzie died of old age when he was seventeen. Fast forward 2 1/2 decades and I received my current pup as a gift from my daughter. Aonghus came from our local shelter, having been picked up as a stray at the tender age of 8 weeks. He is a totally different dog, he is high strung, hard headed and honestly a bit difficult. No, he will NEVER be Tiger or Fonzie (even though sometimes I have wished he were), but he is still perfect for me. I am in a different place in my life and I think I am even more fond of my "problem child" because he needs me so much. Not everyone would want to deal with him and because of that we have formed a very strong bond. My point is simple, you can never 'replace' a pet that is gone, but you can have a wonderful companion if you are willing to keep an open mind and love a dog for who he is and not make comparisons. Ang is a problem child, and I love him with my whole heart, but I will also never forget Tiger and Fonzie, they are forever a part of my soul.
 
Welcome to the forums. You are so not alone. There are special dogs and there will never be one like them.

I have the great fortune to still have my heart dog, Justice. He was my first sheltie and in my eyes, perfect. The dog I always dreamed of having. I had never experienced the bond with my previous 2 dogs as I did with him even though I loved them with my whole heart.

I got my next sheltie Ember and for the first 6 months I had her I have to say I really disliked her. I mean to the point I wished I hadn't gotten her. Even though she is a sheltie, she was so not Justice(she is his niece). She is stubborn, opinionated, dramatic and just a bit odd. She chewed things, screamed, overreacted and even tried to bite me.

One day, I realized alot of my dislike was because I was comparing her to Justice and expecting her to be him. I so enjoyed his easy companionship, I wanted the same thing with Ember. But no matter how hard I tried to make her, she was just not him and never would be. It was unfair. I started to look at the things in Ember that I did like. Her effort(she did try to please but I didn't see it) ,her sense of humor, her spunk, her intelligence. Once I let go of the perfect picture and accepted her for her, we started to bond. Today of all my dogs, she is the only one that is mine and mine alone. Diva, Justice, Bock and Porter would go with anyone. Not Ember. I would do anything for her and she does anything I ask even though she may not want to. Currently she is laying beside me on the Lazy Boy,her head on my leg. The other dogs are laying across the room on the futon. Typical for us. A different relationship but one I wouldn't give up for anything.

Don't give up, you find the dog you were meant to have. It probably won't be like your previous sheltie but you will cherish it anyways.
 
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Very well said, Shelli! A very healthy way of dealing with the differences as well. Something for everyone to keep in mind....not just about dogs, but people as well! :smile2:
 
Well said, Dr. Shelli. Emma is my third dog and she would be my heart dog if any of them are. Liam is different. He would make a typical human boy - up to trouble most of the time, but he is my cuddler during the day. He sticks close to where I am.

You will find another one to fill the new space that opens up in your heart when the timing is right. It may be a couple of weeks or it could be a year. When the time is right, the right dog is there.
 
First my heart goes out to you. Rest asured many of us have gone through the loss of a beloved Sheltie.
I lost my beloved Sheltie just over a year ago due to illness, when she was just eight.
No you will never find a perfect match to your Sheltie, as they all have diffrent personalitys. I swore I would never get another one, however that was short lived and now I have two.
Keep looking and I'm sure you will find the perfect Sheltie for you.

Becky
 
I have called a few breed clubs and told them our situation, that we need a dog (I don't want a puppy, thanks) who will neither eat the cats nor my son (put better than that, I promise! lol). You'd think I'd asked it be gilded in gold. I do realize there is going to be work acclimating an adult dog to our family, I'm not asking for the moon here. However, the reaction to asking for a, well, a sane pet, has been a bit... shocking. Apparently shelties now make a habit of eating the family cat and taking off a child's nose? I think not. However, I have seen what happens when a dog turns on a child firsthand, so am rather more aware of the possibility than most, I guess.

I want a sheltie for my son, probably sometime next year. Well, I want one like yesterday, but he is two, after all. ;) I want him to have that relationship. Heck, *I* want that relationship again!

More than your attachment to the old dog what I would deal with first is your fear of dogs. Obviously you have had some issues with dogs who have been violent, thus your fear of dogs eating cats and chewing children's noses off. If you have these fears, no dog will ever overcome your fear that they can turn on you at any moment.

Any breed can be violent, especially dogs who have been abused or those who for what ever reason have issues. However, most dogs do not turn on their owners or eat the cat. In fact many dogs can be safely conditioned to be with cats. My dogs will chase cats from the yard, but also have no issue with cats at the playgroup they attend. The owner has never had to restrain them. In fact the cats they have known have trained them to respect them. The dogs are far more intimidated by the cats they meet. However, they will not tolerate one in their yard. The instinct to protect the yard is such that they will chase. The do the same with squirrels. They have never captured or killed anything.

As for kids, I have had kids of all age groups troup through our house as I come from a large family with lots of nieces and nephews. What I have learned is I have to be on guard for the dogs sakes at all times. Children have no understanding of how to treat animals until we teach them. Young children, can be especially dangerous to dogs. Yes, that is correct, they can hurt dogs not just the other way around. I had a mother at a park laughing when her child came out of nowhere and grabbed Bailey by the hair around his nose to kiss him. Thank God Bailey is so gentle but the kid scared him and he cowered back against my husband. The woman thought it was CUTE!!! She is lucky her kid does have his nose. A different dog might have bit him to escape his attack. My husband quickly responded and got the child off the dog and the woman was offended. She truly had no idea what a close escape her child had and we have kept Bailey even more close when around strange young children. If he had bit the child, it would be Bailey, not the child or the parent facing the consequences of not having self-control even though the child assaulted the dog.

This is why so many rescues are hesitant to adopt dogs into families with young children. At two it is going to be challenging to get your child to respect the rights of the dog, not just protecting the child from any of your fears of what a dog might do to it. Pulling hair, grabbing ears, Sheltie tails, and noses is all something I have had to protect our dogs against when around young kids. It is not the dogs job to understand these attacks. However, if the child is not just a visitor, but a part of your home it can be very challenging to provide a safe environment for dog and child. I know people who do a great job and raise dog and child together with respect for both needs. However, it requires a healthy respect for both child AND dog. If your are going to add a third element that you want to learn to balance the needs of a cat, dog, and two year old playing in harmony, the juggling act can be even harder.

My suggestion would be to wait until your child is a bit older. Expose him to some dogs and see how he does with them. Teach him before you get a dog, how to be around dogs. This will decrease the chances of him hurting a dog. When you have to worry less about the child attacking the dog, the issues with the dog attacking the child will also lessen. I have no idea how old your cat is but the issue of cat/dog may not be a problem then either.

I grew up with dogs, not Shelties, and I can't think of a better experience for children. Dogs are wonderful pets for kids. However, there is a responsiblity not just to protect the kids, but to provide safe environments for the dogs, too. I get heart broken when I read rescue stories of dogs surrendered because parents couldn't handle the kids and the dogs and of course the dogs loose. It is important to understand having a dog is almost like taking on another kid. It is not enough to bring one home and let them loose. There is much more to the relationship than people imagine.
 
So sorry to hear all that you have gone through, but hang in there... your pup will come. I grew up with Shelties too, and even though the last of my childhood dogs passed away almost a decade ago, it still hurts. My Dusty was that "one" for me. My grandparents used to tease me for always running around with damp pants legs from all the "trouble" he would drag me out of. :sadsmile: For years I had the same thoughts... hoping for another Dusty... praying that he was out there. When I finnally found a breeder that had a litter of bi-blacks (like my boy) I went to check them out and immediatly fell for a little tri female (Tess) that looked nothing like him, was of the wrong gender, and was even incredibly reserved (where he had be a major extrovert) I can't imagine these past few years without Tess, and although she isn't Dusty, I wouldn't ever want her to be. No dog will ever take the place of that special one, but they will each carve out their own special little places in your heart that are theirs alone. Good luck and try to keep an open mind. If you think of the relationship with the dog that you lost as more of an inspiration than a goal, I think you may find yourself pleasantly surprised by the outcome.
 
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