Katy suddenly stopped barking, any suggestions?

Jason_C

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Quick backstory: my tap water has a pH of around 5.8. I've always filtered it with a PUR filter for Katy, but only recently discovered the acidic pH. I began adjusting it with baking soda, and soon after I found that Katy was having a hard time standing up. After posting on here, it was quickly brought to my attention that I was adding a TON of sodium to her water! On Tuesday I switched her back to filtered tap water, and she quickly went back to normal. On Wednesday I began giving her distilled bottled water with a pH of 7.0 and no additives in the list of ingredients.

But for a little while, she's been snubbing her breakfast. She's always eaten it with gusto, but lately she sniffs it and just walks away. I've been able to get her to eat it by sprinkling treat crumbs on top, or sometimes spoon feeding her a little until she sparks interest, or sometimes just waiting and she'll eat eventually. She's been eating her dinner normally, though, and still wants ALL of her treats (both hard and soft)! I honestly don't know if this problem began before or after I started doctoring her water.

So.

Friday, everything seemed good but I THINK that I forgot to give her the Galliprant at dinner. I wasn't sure if it had any value anyway, but she definitely seemed to be in more pain that evening!

We always play a little at 10pm, mostly be swinging her toy around while she barks and then, eventually, I toss it across the room for her to bring back. We always do 3 rounds of this, then she gets treats and brushed.

All seemed good, but in the middle of the third round she was barking and then just... stopped. She was panting a little (not unusual since we'd been playing, but could have been in pain) and paced around me 3 times, almost giving me a heart attack thinking she'd had a stroke!! But I stopped her and brought her in close, and she seemed just fine.

After that, though, she rarely barks at all, and hasn't wanted to play at 10pm like usual. She'll bark sometimes, but only a few times before she stops.

I've inspected her closely, pushing firmly on her ribs, stomach, and trachea. She hasn't had any reactions to any of that, so I don't think that I'm dealing with a broken bone or anything.

Everything I'm finding online sounds major, like cancer (of course), but that seems unlikely since she was mid-bark when she stopped.

My next thought would be stomach discomfort or an ulcer in her mouth or throat (either potentially caused by the baking soda), but there's no bloody saliva or bloody stool. And no diarrhea. Everything on the back end (haha) seems normal. But stomach upset or an ulcer would explain her lack of interest in eating her breakfast.

My vet doesn't do emergency visits, so I can call tomorrow and PROBABLY get her in on Friday. That's a long time to worry, though! Especially if there's a simple solution that I'm overlooking.

What do you think? Any suggestions beyond stomach upset, ulcer, or (gulp) cancer?
 
I'm guessing with she hurt her back/hips/shoulder/something! when you were playing, and the pain brought her up short. Pain just stops Fil cold when he hurts himself. It saddens me no end to have to stop our soccer games because he continues to hurt himself, but thats where we are at.

You are closely looking at all the internals and overlooking the skeletal/muscles. If you are fortunate to not have any arthritis/back issues (or young enough:)) yourself, its hard to imagine how much it affects your life.

As I understand it, seniors getting picky about food is fairly common, as is reduced appetite. As long as she's eating, drinking, peeing and pooping normally, I don't know if I would get too concerned at a reduction in amount per day...not eating at all is a different matter.

It's hard to watch the aging process--both in our dogs and our human friends or in my case myself! I assure you I don't feel like playing at 10 pm anymore ;)
You're such a good pet parent. Katy is lucky to have someone who loves her so much.
 
Firstly I’d say don’t go online looking for medical information because chances are you’ll find all sorts of bad stuff that will scare you and Dr.Google never saved anyone’s life yet haha.
I would suggest that you make a vet appointment and get them to check her out. Maybe some bloodwork is needed, especially after the baking soda issue it wouldn’t hurt to get her kidney’s checked out.
Sometimes when we notice all these little things with our dog’s health we need the vet to analyze everything and bring it all together.
Edited to add I totally agree with Margi as well (I didn’t see her comment until I posted). I would agree to get her checked out by a chiropractor as well as by a vet (rule out anything)…I agree that as we age we all have more aches and pains. A chiropractor (animal) would be able to help her move better with less pain.
Keep us updated on how she’s doing!
 
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I've seen a million times when one of my dogs would hurt something while playing, but it's always been obvious: a bloody tongue, or a limp, something like that. And it usually goes away pretty quickly. This was the first time that I've ever had it with no further symptoms, though, and for it to last for several days!

She barked a lot when we went out this morning, though, so maybe it's passed? I'll find out tonight, I guess.

As for her snubbing breakfast, I'm half convinced that she's just being a brat! LOL This morning she snubbed her breakfast, but happily took her Keppra in a pill pocket, then went through the whole go-outside-to-pee = vitamin, go-outside-to-poop = Dasaquin, go-outside-to-bark = Shroomies routine (yes, it's our daily routine! She's so spoiled <3 ). Then she lay down beside of her food and watched me make my own breakfast. I scrambled an egg for her (also usual routine) and left it on the island while I ate, and after breakfast she ate her egg with gusto. THEN she went to eat her own food... about 1 1/2 hours later than usual.

I'm probably just projecting fears onto her, honestly. Bane (my beagle mix) did the exact same thing with his food that last week when he was alive, but he was also struggling to breathe the whole time.


If you are fortunate to not have any arthritis/back issues (or young enough:)) yourself, its hard to imagine how much it affects your life.
I'm dangerously close to 50. I've had arthritis pain in both thumbs for a few years, but MSM makes it manageable. I used to have wrist pain, too, but nightly push-ups made that one go away :)

Several years ago I had major lower back pain, too! I remember driving my nieces and nephews to the beach (a 6 hour drive), and when I got there my back hurt so bad that I couldn't do anything but lay in bed all weekend! After that I made a conscious decision to lose about 30lbs and exercise more, and haven't had that kind of pain in years. So not arthritis, exactly, but I still understand the crippling pain.
 
I don’t have any suggestions but just wanted to say I am sorry you are going through this. It is so difficult watching them age. I am going through a similar situation with Shelby not wanting to eat, our vet could not find anything wrong with her and said dogs get very picky when they get old. I also project my fears because our 1st Sheltie stopped eating and then a few days later we had to put her to sleep- so I guess what I wanted to say is that I fully empathize with you and understand what you are going through.

i hope you get a clean bill of health from the vet and that Katy is just being finicky like Shelby is.
 
I do have SOME good news :-) Tonight Katy started barking at play time like always! She didn't want to run and fetch the toy like she usually does, but she had a grand old time barking at it for about 5 minutes.

She made me worry at dinner time, when she snubbed her food. She's been snubbing her breakfast, but this was the first time she's ever snubbed her dinner! After almost 2 hours, I finally got her to eat it by spreading crumbled treats on top.

She started snubbing at the end of her previous bag of food, and this is a new bag. So I don't think it's an issue with the food quality. I'm going to the grocery store tomorrow, I might buy a small bag of kibble to see how she reacts.

I don’t have any suggestions but just wanted to say I am sorry you are going through this.
Katy is my 5th pet (as an adult, I should say), and she's the only one left :'-( In every case, though, refusing food was a predecessor to them passing... usually within a few days. She's not really refusing, though, just hesitant. So I'm REALLY hoping that the problem is relatively minor.

I've had 6 major deaths in the last 3 years (both of my parents, my girlfriend's dad, two kitties, and my beagle mix), so I can't help being depressed and negative. I'm really, really trying not to be! But it's hard.
 
Oh wow you got me beat by double for last three years in the major deaths dept! I am so so sorry for all your loses! I know how hard it is and now I understand why you are being what we called in the teacher biz a "helicopter parent". I'd be scared too!
So barking but not running. Because pain?
Snubbing food sort of....have you considered giving her real food (as in not processed?) Like Fresh Pet or Farmers Dog or freeze dried? I'm not suggesting you switch to raw at this point (thats what Piper's mom and I feed). Or even check out all the home cooked meals for dogs recipes on the web? I can't remember the name of those vets that published a book about it. Im sure someone here will know what I'm talking about. She's getting up there in age and why not give her the best food you can? They don't eat much actually. Fil is on 6 oz a day and Benny gets 7oz. Thats food not treats. Just a thought!
 
now I understand why you are being what we called in the teacher biz a "helicopter parent". I'd be scared too!
Hahaha, I know, that's exactly what I am!! LOL I'm probably the most annoying patient that my vet has! But I give them a ton of money, so I hope they don't hate me.

So barking but not running. Because pain?
That's my theory. My other theory would be a weak heart, but the vet has never found any evidence of that.

I'll describe exactly what happens:

At the 10pm play time, I sit in the floor with her toy and make a random pattern of bouncing it on the floor (making a squeaky sound, which she probably doesn't hear anymore) and waving it over my head. She would bark and jump around the whole time, just having a blast! LOL When she was younger, in the middle of it I would throw the toy upstairs (which includes 2 turns). She would run to find it, then bring it back and I'd do it again. As she's gotten older, though, I don't do the stairs but instead throw it to the corner of the room. We would do 3 rounds of this, taking about 15 minutes total.

When she would get tired but still want to play, she had these little shortcuts she would do to buy time; instead of bringing it straight back, she would run behind the furniture in a big circle; she might drop the toy 5' away from me so that I couldn't reach it, then bark at me; instead of standing on my right side (the direction I throw the toy), she would stand on my left side and get under my arm in a type of loose hug, knowing that I wouldn't throw it until she moved to my right side.

So when we were playing last night, she immediately went to my left side and barked. I let it go for about 5 minutes, then tossed it across the room. She went to get it, but then took the long way back, dropped it several feet away, and sat down with a big, panting smile on her face.

She didn't limp or act like she was in pain, but you know these little kids never like to show weakness! So it's only an educated guess on my end that she was in pain.

Was it mouth pain, stomach pain, or joint pain? I have no way of knowing, really.

Snubbing food sort of....have you considered giving her real food (as in not processed?)
I've been giving her Sojos dehydrated raw (not processed) for most of her life:

https://www.sojos.com/complete/sojos-complete-senior-food-turkey-salmon-recipe

I actually just ordered Farmer's Dog last night, to see if she likes it any better. It's only slightly more expensive than Sojos, anyway (about $150 /month versus $120 /month). My only real concern is storage space! LOL I don't know where I'm going to find room for 22 packs, my fridge and freezer stay pretty packed :-O
 
See my comment about the eating. Reflux can make it very uncomfortable to bark so if she's getting reflux she find barking makes her feel sick. Plus when they are going deaf they can frighten themselves by barking- life is very silent then suddenly a sound.

Tully used to be a play barker, heck she taught Kismet to play bark. But she never barks now, and if she does ever do it by mistake she gives herself a fright. It's a combo of having GI issues and being deaf, her specialist said it's perfectly normal. Some dogs when they get old bark incessently and some just stop.
 
Oops, I should have updated this thread earlier! I created another thread and neglected this one :-(

But the Farmer's Dog changed everything!! She's eating eagerly, barking like a pup, getting up easier, and even playing a lot more!

I don't know if it's Farmer's Dog specifically, or if her old Sojos was just bad. Or maybe it's just because it's "new". She's a whole new dog right now, though!
 
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