Nonstop barking in agility class

aecarr10

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My Oliver is 10 1/2 months old now, and in general is a very quiet sheltie.

He never barks in the house. He never barks when I am alone with him, even when we're practicing agility. He barks a tiny bit out of sheer excitement when he's meeting new people, but is getting better about this (I correct him verbally and with a leash, and praise/treat/pet for being quiet).

He has begun, however, barking NON-STOP when we're in our agility class.

No, that's not true. Once I've put him in a stay at the beginning of a course, he gets quiet. He's a fast, clean, driven, and SILENT dog on course.

But every minute of class where he is not actively thinking about something, he defaults to barking incessently. I would describe it as, he seems so excited that he's short-circuiting.

If I actively engage him in thinking, he's quiet. Unfortunately, I imagine that listening to me run him through his paces nonstop ("sit. down. touch. stand. sit. sit up. touch. touch. down. touch. sit. shake.") is probably fairly annoying to my classmates... and it also prevents me from learning by watching them run their dogs. If I put him in a stay, he'll stay put... barking all the while.

Rewarding him for being quiet does nothing. The barking seems to come as naturally as breathing, and is apparently fun and inherently rewarding. While his verbal correction for barking ("quiet") works in other contexts, it has zero effect in class. A leash correction does nothing. Ignoring him just gives him the opportunity to get wound up about anything and everything around him. Shaking a can of pennies isn't an option in a class setting.

Sometimes the barking is at something (another dog running, someone praising their dog loudly), other times it seems to be just for the sake of barking.

My instructor and classmates assure me they don't mind.

The thing is, I mind!! :gaah:

Any suggestions for quieting him down!? I understand that he IS a sheltie, and really would be okay with *some* barking... it's the unrelenting, mindless barking for the entire hour (or, as the case was while we hung out at run-throughs this morning... 2 1/2 hours!!) that makes me want to tear my hair out. My sanity may be at stake if this becomes a lifelong habit of his.
 
This is something that I'm pretty familiar with. My girl barks if she's able to watch other dogs run--especially if someone is running my other dog. The short answer is the only thing that I've found that truly works is to make her work. And yes, that means "sit, touch, nose, down, bang, sit..."

If she is getting really bad, I will walk her out of the building. She has to be calm as we walk out and have her attention on me. She waits at every door/gate to be released (no pulling) whether we are walking out or back in. If she can't, we turn back around. While we are outside, we work on being calm. Once she is more relaxed, we walk back in, again I want her attention on me, no running or pulling. Lots of waiting and impulse control exercises (not reaching up for the treat in my hand, not getting ahead of me, etc...)

This hasn't solved the problem for me, but it does put her back in a calm state of mind for a bit. To be honest, I'd rather have that than a dog that isn't in an aroused state at agility (not saying that they are mutually exclusive, just think that there are worse problems to have!)
 
This is something that I'm pretty familiar with. My girl barks if she's able to watch other dogs run--especially if someone is running my other dog. The short answer is the only thing that I've found that truly works is to make her work. And yes, that means "sit, touch, nose, down, bang, sit..."

If she is getting really bad, I will walk her out of the building. She has to be calm as we walk out and have her attention on me. She waits at every door/gate to be released (no pulling) whether we are walking out or back in. If she can't, we turn back around. While we are outside, we work on being calm. Once she is more relaxed, we walk back in, again I want her attention on me, no running or pulling. Lots of waiting and impulse control exercises (not reaching up for the treat in my hand, not getting ahead of me, etc...)

This hasn't solved the problem for me, but it does put her back in a calm state of mind for a bit.

Darn. I was hoping this wasn't the case. I'll have to try walking him around outside, maybe it will calm him down a refocus him a bit.

To be honest, I'd rather have that than a dog that isn't in an aroused state at agility (not saying that they are mutually exclusive, just think that there are worse problems to have!)

Very true- I am thrilled to pieces that he loves agility and is shaping up to be a really, really nice dog. I just feel so, so badly for all of the other dog owners (whose dogs are all silent!) who have to listen to him carry on.
 
Nonstop Barking

Welcome to the world of Agility!!! I feel your pain.I just crate mine and just cover the crate so he can't see out it.My younger one Sting if he out of his crate goes over the edge.He wants to work so bad when it is not his turn.:biggrin2:
 
I always like to think that when my dogs.. sorry, when Juliet barks when waiting around for her turn, she's saying "ME! PICK ME! ME! ME! ME!" :lol:

I made the mistake before of dampening enthusiasm, drive and arousal with Romeo when he was younger so I'm very careful with what I do with behaviours that make them go up. Romeo loves barking, and it gets him going, so I only silence him when there's a less confident or fearful dog trying to run a course. I also try to not shut Juliet up too much, and do focus work with her like Corbinam does, unless she's left on her own while I run Romeo, then I kinda want to get her jealous and dying to work with me.:biggrin2:

You've only had Oliver for less than 10 months! Give it a bit more time.. you'll probably tune it out and not mind too. :lol:
 
I forgot to mention the other thing that's a huge help...a tug toy! If we are lined up and trying to get through a short drill quickly I get her tugging. It keeps her engaged, excited, and quiet! I also use that to work on impulse control so I intersperse tugging and grabbing with "give" and "wait" and other obedience commands then I release her to "get it!!"

Saw that you are in Ohio. Maybe we will see you at a trial some day!
 
I feel your pain. Kyara would often bark like that when we started group classes about 8 months ago but she is so much better now.

First of all, I highly recommend you read Control Unleashed by Leslie McDevitt (okay I feel like a preacher as I believe I've recommended this book often on the forum lately, but I read it in the last 2 months and it totally changed the way I work around agility classes and how I engage with Kyara). It completely revolves around dogs too stressed or aroused in agility classes.

Secondly, do not worry about doing the whole trick routine during class. Sure don't talk loudly, simply say the commands in a low quiet voice. If your dog disengages and starts barking again, ask for more simple tricks like a sit and reward often. As you get into more advanced classes, you'll notice other classmates doing the same thing.

Also, try to keep him in a position that prevents him from seeing the other dogs. Don't physically turn him around especially if he seems to be acting scared of all the movement but try getting his attention towards you and away from the other dogs with good treats and start asking for the tricks he knows.

Finally, at 10 months of age, it's a lot to ask for a full hour of focus with such stimulating things like obstacles and other dogs running around. I highly suggest you bring a crate to class and give some breaks to your pup as you wait for your turn. That's one thing that dramatically helped with my dog. I got a folding crate that is easy to carry. For about 2 weeks, I practiced with the crate at home only. I had Kyara go to that crate at home and having her stay calmly in it before inviting her out to play. I would then send her back to her crate, treat, have her stay there and call her out to play.

I hope this helps! Keep us posted on how it goes in the next classes. Like Corbinam mentioned, some breaks outside can really help calm him and get better focus.
 
I agree with ALL the above... especially Control unleashed!!
in addition I would stop immediately with leash corrections A. they help nothing, obviously since you have been doing them ad no improvement... and B. it arouses the dogs even further, your pup associates the other dog running with the aversive jerk to the neck... you dog will not associate with you but with the other dog causing him 'pain'... so the more aroused he gets the more you jerk on the leash, it'll become a downward spiral

Clicker train the behaviour you do want, be prepared to drop a jackpot of treats just BEFORE the other aroused dogs run. Also I use mat training where the dog has to stay and learn to relax while others are running... I do that with my reactive dog, slowly at first and still go to lots of trials even if I am not entered to sit ringside, or as close as he can get without being over aroused, then do sit and downs... check it out, and then reward looking back at you. (needless to say I don't have to feed him super when we're done, lol)

patience is key, he sounds like a lovely pup
 
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Two methods that I have used with Merlin that help.

1. If he barks someone else grabs his lead and removes him from the area, waits till he is calm and then brings him back, but removes him again if he barks.

That works well as I run Cadbury in the same class so I cannot run through commands with Merlin all the time.

2. A water squirty bottle, not everyone's favourite, but a shot of water in the air over their head (not directly at them) distracts them enough to stop.

Both methods though do require a second person to help, when I train by myself it is harder, though Cadbury is the worst for making a fuss when not running.
 
What about putting him in a down stay? It's harder for most dogs to bark while they are down.
 
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