Volume of raw


There are a couple of issues to keep in mind with ground meats.

The process of grinding increases surface area and increases the opportunity for bacteria to grow on the meat. When you consider meat, a solid slab of meat like a steak is completely bacteria-free on the inside. The outer surface is what grows the bacteria. Hence the reason why people can eat rare steaks, with only the outside of the meat cooked and the inside still raw. But when you grind meat, you are essentially slicing through the exterior of the meat, into the interior. This pushes whatever bacteria was on the outside into the inside of the meat, giving it more opportunity to grow and multiply.

Grinding adds another step of processing, as well. So more steps that can add contamination to the meat, more contact with processing equipment.

Finally, not all ground meat is created equally. Your average grocery store ground beef may have added fillers to decrease fat percentage or add bulk. These fillers are often grain based, and are not listed on the labels. Not necessarily a BAD thing ... but if you are trying to stay away from grains or have a dog with grain sensitivies, it is something to keep in mind.

All of these things together, with the loss of dental benefits that you mentioned, decrease the value of ground meats. That is not to say that you should avoid all ground meats, but be aware of the risks and feed in moderation. Beef around here is incredibly expensive, so if I cannot get my hands on a deal or find sale cuts, I will purchase ground beef and feed it. But I make sure that it does not make up a majority of the diet, maybe 10% or so.
 
Okay, that makes sense. The ground I was looking at comes from www.mypetcarnivore.com, and you can get it fine or coarse ground. It includes bone and organs.

I'm thinking that if I can't get him to do whole raw, we'll just have to stick with dry and canned. I'm going to rethaw some of that rabbit again and see if he'll take it tomorrow. I'll also try giving it to him outside. Maybe that will trigger some of his instincts a little more.
 
Sorry for my poor memory, but have you tried anything other than rabbit as whole prey?

Some dogs are just picky that way. Neither of my guys would touch the whole rabbit I gave them, but they will gladly eat other whole prey and even ground rabbit premade.

Maybe try something else before giving up on raw completely?
 
Rabbit was our first try. He likes it, and will eat it if I pick the meat off. He's one of those prissy guys who doesn't like to touch it with his paws. When I got the rabbit out to thaw tonight, he came over and was nosing around in the bags. I really think he wants it, but just doesn't quite know how to go about eating it yet.

He likes lamb, too. He was working on his lamb bone for about an hour today, tore off the tiny bit of meat that was on there, without ever touching it with his feet. He gave his teeth a wonderful workout.

I think he will go for this eventually.

Don't worry, I won't give up yet! The more I learn about this, the more it seems the right thing to do, tho I reserve the right to keep his Orijen around, because he loves it, and also for those days when raw is too difficult. (My weekends are a beast).
 
I so bad want to switch both my boys over to raw, especially since my vet and I (after an obscene amount of vet trips) have decided to do an elimination diet on Samson because we both suspect horrible food allergies/intolerance.

However, I don't trust myself at all-I wish I had a raw doggie food shopper that can hold my hand for a while, until I got the hang of it. :lol:
 
For me there's definitely been a learning curve. I've spent a lot of time reading and talking to people over the last couple weeks. It's been a little scary, with the whole bone he swallowed that one day, but he's doing better. He can eat a chicken breast now, bone and all. I do think he misses his kibble, so I'd like to be able to give him that some days. He thinks Orijen is a treat.
 
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