What Age For Agility?

nbrard

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We have debated whether we should try Mikos in agility because it looks like the dogs have so much fun. At the moment we are strengthening his recall because we can't trust him off leash since he is easily distracted and it takes a bit to get his focus back.
What I am wondering is if he is too young at 14 months. In the purchase contract it says that his structural guarantee is void if he participates in competitive agility, flyball or jumping before the age of 24 months. Is this because the sport can cause joint problems if it is done before this age?
He had a minor soft tissue injury in January from slipping and for a while he would limp a bit when he first got up after a nap. After vet checks and rest (that was hard to do) he now is limp free but could he be more prone to this if he were to do agility?
 
The general consensus is you can start agility with dogs at 12 months of age. However, not all dogs growth plates are closed by that age. If you are really unsure of if your dog is ready, I'd get xrays from the vet.
 
any age

Hi Nancy,

I'm no expert but I started my Eskie in agility at 11 weeks. We were very careful about jump heights (basically, none) and she was not asked to do weaves or A-frames, etc. What she DID do were wobble boards, tunnels, jumps with bar on the ground, traffic cones (learning to heel through a figure 8, for example). She also did a baby dogwalk. Most of all, she was socialized, around a variety of other dogs and people, and taught to be a team player with me.

My Barney, male sheltie who is now 16 mos, waited awhile longer before he started agility training. He was about 6 months when we started. We went to a facility that had three levels of pre-agility work where we "perfected" sit and down stays, recalls, and working as a team player. Even today, he jumps at 12" even though in competition it would be 16". I avoid numerous repetitions with the weave poles even though at his age, his growth plates should be closed. He loves, loves, loves agility!! I've taken him to trials since he was about 6 months, too, as a spectator so the trial atmosphere does not intimidate him in the least. He is perfectly comfortable in his crate with all of the smells, dog and people sounds, trial goings-on, etc. He also has no fear whatsoever when he goes into the ring. I've run him "for exhibit only" twice in recent weeks and he does far better than his older "sister," the 2-1/2 year old Eskie.

All of this to say - I'd go ahead and get started if I were you. Even if you are training, you do not have to ask your dog to do anything that makes you uncomfortable, such as jumps set too high or full-sized A-frames.

Donna, Cotton, and Barney
 
I agree with what HopeShelites said; 12 - 18 months is normally the recommended age to start agility. (Larger dogs tend to be closer to 18 months.)

You can start earlier as long as you are well aware of the dog's growth plates and are careful to protect them. Repetitive jumping at height (normally 12 or 16 inches for a Sheltie) and weave poles are not recommended for younger dogs. As a general rule, if you have dog under 12 months old, don't set a jump bar higher than their elbow joint.

When in doubt, talk to your vet.
 
I think you can do foundation work as soon as you have some basic obedience down, and simple stuff tunnels low walks and very small jumps less then 6 inches and not a whole lot at 8 to 10 months, at 12 months you can start regular training,. we started Cosmo at 12 months and hit his first trial 2 weeks after the 18 month minimum age here. At 14 months I wouldn't have any quams about starting him, AAC & AKC I believe have 18 month old competition restrictions and I figure they know best. 24 months seems like overkill.

And agility will probably help strengthen the soft tissue injury more then non activity.
 
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This is something I normally post for someone who's asking about a puppy starting agility. All the foundation work I discuss below is useful for anyone who wants to start in agility.

Honestly, at 14 months, your dog could start taking classes safely. I understand your breeder's caution regarding the "his structural guarantee is void if he participates in competitive agility, flyball or jumping before the age of 24 months. Is this because the sport can cause joint problems if it is done before this age" clause in your contact. Either she's being overly cautious for the sake of the dog's health or she's been burnt in the past by someone starting a performance sport too soon, injuring the dog, and claiming it was a breeding issue. Either way, she did it for the sake of the dog's health and happiness.

But, on to the post I mentioned:

There are a number of things you can do at home to begin training agility before your dog even SEES a jump:

1 - Obedience: I think a better description here is BEHAVIOR basics rather than obedience because it's easy to confuse what you need for agility with competitive obedience. (Not that more advanced obedience is a bad thing. I had my CGC when I started agility training.) What you should have are basic behaviors - Sit, Stay, Down, and a very good recall. You can start without these in some clubs but it is highly recommended and encouraged - especially when you start off leash work.

2 - Tunnels: A child's play tunnel are perfect for indoors because they are small and short. An actual agility training tunnel would be a bit unruly indoors, especially if you don't have a lot of room. You can order full size training tunnels online but until you know whether or not your dog will enjoy agility, you probably don't want to spend the money on specialty items. A child's tunnel you can give away to a family or day care if you end up not needing it.

3 - Flatwork: This is one of the foundations for agility; it's what happens between the obstacles. It includes things like 'recall to heel', basic sends, turning skills like front & rear crosses, etc. This is something you can definitely start working on without worrying about the dog's joints. Clean Run, the only magazine on the market for agility that I know of, has a book available called "Flatwork - Foundation for Agility" by Barb Levenson (http://www.cleanrun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1213&ParentCat=261). I looked on Amazon for this but they only have 1 used copy available and the seller is charging TWICE as much as a NEW copy from Clean Run would be.

4 - Teaching where his back legs, and body, are in relation to the front: Believe it or not, dogs don't really realize they have rear legs; or more specifically don't usually pay attention to where they are in relation to their front. So, we have to teach them. This skill is necessary for jump but more so for contacts like the dog walk and teeter, which are narrow. There are two different exercises you can do here:
  1. Ladder work: Place an extension ladder on the ground and walk him through it. Do NOT expect him to go through the entire thing the first time through. Start by rewarding him for starting to walk through it, even if he bails after a few steps. Slowly increase what he has to do with the ladder to receive the reward (get halfway across, get all the way across, get half way WITHOUT touching a rung, get all the way WITHOUT touching a rung.)
  2. Walk the plank: Put a plank of wood on the floor roughly 2x4x8. (You can do 2x4x4 if you can find that in the scrap wood or have a hardware store cut a 2x4x8 board in half for you.) Start by rewarding him for putting his feet on it. Increase the requirement for the treat by having him walk across it (all 4 paws don't have to be on at this time). Increase the requirement again by making sure he keeps all 4 paws on the board. Stopping at the end is NOT required for this exercise. If you want to make it a little more difficult, you can put something under the board to raise it off the floor by about 4-6 inches. (With a puppy, you don't want to go higher than 2 - 4 inches.)

5 - Teach targeting: Get the lid from a margarine container. Hold it in your hand perpendicular to the floor. Reward when he touches his nose to it. As he gets proficient at it, add the word "target" to the action. Next step: place the lid on the floor; reward when he touches it with his nose. (MAKE SURE he's touching it with his nose before you reward. Some dogs, after a little while, will go through the motion but won't actually touch the lid. You DO NOT want to reward that.) Again, add the word Target as he gets proficient at this. Finally, slowly start to move the target away from you and send him to it with a "Target" command from a sit stay. You can bait the target with a treat to get him started but still reward correct behavior even if you bait.

6 - Teach 2 On 2 Off: Using the same plank as above... once he can walk across with all 4 paws on the board, start requiring him to stop at the end with 2 paws on the board and 2 on the floor (2 on 2 off or 2o2o). If you want to make this a little more difficult, raise one end of the the board off the floor by 4-6 inches. (With a puppy, you don't want to go higher than 2 - 4 inches.)

Target training and 2o2o training go hand in hand. We use targets at the end of contact obstacles when training 2o2o because it gives the dog a reason to stop. Even if the target is baited, we still reward the correct 2o2o behavior.

Hopefully there will be something in this long post that can help you get started, Training works best in small doses - take 10 - 15 treats (not including bait treats) and when they are gone you are done.

Hope this helps!
 
Great post, Silaria.

We worked on foundation work when our girls were young. None of that included jumping.

Dandie started jumping this spring at the age of 17 months. Chloe started about the same, but took some time off because she was battling Lymes disease and was having trouble with lameness in her front leg.

Good luck! Agility is a blast for both the owner and the dog.

I might add....different venues have different heights for jumps. Because of how my dog's heights are, we don't do USDAA. Here are the jump heights for them: http://www.usdaa.com/faq.cfm.

A dog under 14" jumps 12" in AKC and over 14" jumps 16". I was happy that Dandie is under 14" so she jumps 12. Chloe is over 14" (not by that much) so she should jump 16" but because of her struggle with Lyme, we jump her in preferred at 12". Here are the jump heights for AKC:
8 Inches: For dogs 10 inches and under at the withers.
12 Inches: For dogs 14 inches and under at the withers.
16 Inches: For dogs 18 inches and under at the withers.
20 Inches: For dogs 22 inches and under at the withers.
24 Inches: For dogs over 22 inches at the withers.


Good luck and most of all, have fun!
 
Thanks for the great responses, I can't wait to try the things you provided in your post Silaria. Mikos is a tall boy, 18" or more so I guess he would be jumping a bit higher when the time comes. Our first order of business is getting a speedy recall, at this moment Mr. Mikos prefers to saunter over to us when we call:(, apparently he has all the time in the world:lol:
 
HI! im trying to get as much information about agility and I read through the comments and i was wondering what the ladder was that was mentioned above. should i use just a regular latter? and i was confused about the not touching the prongs part, what should she be touching then? thanks for any imput!!
 
A regular extension ladder, provided it doesn't have a cord in the middle for helping to raise it, is what is referenced here. You can also build something like this: http://www.instantagility.com/2008/05/02/footwork-ladder-with-side-rails/ (The side rails are optional but will help with directing the dog through the ladder when first starting.)

The purpose of the ladder is the teach the dog where its hind legs are in relation to the front legs. This is important for them to know for jumping, the dog walk, and the teeter.

The idea is to have the dog walk between the rungs (stepping over the rungs to the space between them). Clipping a rung would be equivalent to clipping a jump bar; which would result in a dropped bar.
 
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