What food?

I started on Nutro Natural, then went to Innova or Wellness depending on what was available in my area. Then when the melamine scare put everyone in such a tail spin I made up my mind to cook

That was the best decision I could have made. The dogs are healthy, they eat a balanced diet and my vet thinks it's great that I take such good care of them....

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Well Keg1, I'm glad that Dr. Richard's started off his statement with saying that what follows is opinion rather than fact, as many of his opinions are misguided.

Starting with what appears to be his strongest argument of wild canids surviving a short time compared to domestic dogs ... The lifespan of a wild canid is not dependant on nutrition alone. When considering all that a wild canid has to deal with, nutritional balance makes up a very small portion. Other factors that lead to a shortened lifespan of wild canids include, but are not limited to, weather, environmental conditions, habitat availability, the fact that they actually have to hunt for their food instead of sitting in front of their bowl, impacting their success in hunting is the vegetation growth of that year to allow for growth of prey animals. Also poaching/hunting, trapping, natural predators, disease, injury, traffic fatalities. The list goes on. So to say that wild canids have short lifspans so therefore it must be because of their diet is somewhat silly. Yes, wild canids have shorter lifespans than domestic dogs, but they also have a lot more hazards to deal with than our pets. Physiologically, wolves and domestic dogs are the same. Their intestinal tract is built the same way, they produce the same enzymes, they harbor the same gut flora, their dentition is the same.

Dr. Richards shows the ignorance of the vast majority of conventional vets out there in many of his statements. Like the one about how a dog fed a diet similar to what our human food pyramid suggests would be fine ... That is totally inaccurate! Our food pyramid is designed recognizing that we are omnivores, bordering on herbivores. Canids are carnivores. There are dramatically different requirements nutritionally between an omnivore like humans and a carnivore like dogs. So not only is his advice inaccurate, but very dangerous! If someone were to feed their dog a diet based on human requirements, they would be guaranteed to run into nutritional deficiencies and imbalances.

Then the whole bacteria thing. Yes, dogs harbor bacteria, whether they are raw fed or kibble fed. But they have natural physiology designed to deal with that. The key points being that their stomach acid is considerably stronger, more acidic, than humans. Somewhere around 2-3, where humans are closer to 5. That acidity will kill off much of the bacteria they ingest immediately. Additionally, their intestine is considerably shorter than an onmivore's intestine and, when fed an appropriate diet, the rate of passage of food through the intestine is considerably faster. A raw fed dog will pass food through it's entire tract in roughly 5 hours, where a kibble fed dog does the same thing in about 12 hours. This rate of passage ensures that any bacteria present in the food matter will be passed through faster than it is able to colonize or get a good foothold on the intestinal wall.

Of course, some dogs will have more issues with bacteria than others, but this is more to do with poor genetics or poor health than it is their natural ability to digest raw meat.

So there is another side of the story. I'm sure Dr. Richards meant well and truly believes what he is saying. But unfortunately, some people are just incorrect and biased because of their educational background. The vet med educational system is horribly out of date when it comes to nutritional information, and is strongly skewed in the direction of brand name commercial diets due to funding issues.
 
All I can is that this discussion thread is a fascinating read! So many ideas and opinions!

Ultimately, to each his own! :smile2:
 
I agree Barb! I will be the first to say I'm ignorant to the situation which is why I was researching it in the first place. To be honest I'm more interested in this for my German Shepherd who has TERRIBLE ear yeast infections. I was thinking that maybe a raw diet would help and if she was doing good then switch Hurley to it. Heck I was feeding Iams all of about 2 months ago so my knowledge of quality dog dieting is in its infancy. I hope too gain more knowledge in this so my kids can be top notch. :biggrin2:
 
I I see little to no value in an argument such as "we all know canids have eaten raw meat for millions of years". If pet owners were willing to accept mortality rates similar to wild canines for their pets there would be a lot fewer long term disorders of any type, not just food related ones. The average lifespan of a wild canid is very short compared to that of a pet dog and the same is true of feral felines. We deal with many of the problems of aging in pets because of the success of pet foods and improved health care. They don't live in a natural situation and for the most part they are probably better off because of that...

When I started in practice 19 years ago it was unusual to treat a 20 year old cat. ...People ate raw meat for a long time (and still do, sometimes with no problems) but I'm not going to take chances with this, personally.

Mike Richards, DVM


Well put. I work in the public health field and I have looked at the issue of mammal life spans and eating patterns and it does annoy me when people go on about dogs living shorter lives than before (ditto with human life span). People are much more aware of animal health and our pets are better off for it. Vet science has come a long way and I think the average consumer can generally trust the companies have a vested interest in providing the best quality kibble for our pets. I am not a fan of raw - but neither are my dogs, they like their meat cooked and i am happy to do it. But there are a few people I know that criticise me for cooking the meat!

This is all very interesting but I am sure we all really care about what we feed our pets because we want them with us for a very long time. Personally I want my Shelties to live forever.
 
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