What type/style of collar

I'm just thinking out loud...but I wonder if it's a good idea to leave a martingale on a dog when you're not around. I know that it only tightens to a certain degree, but I'm not sure I would feel comfortable using a martingale as an "every day" collar.

I have a regular collar that the dogs wear when they go out (rides in the car, trips, walks) or when we travel (at a hotel, etc...) and a martingale that they wear when they are on leash (on top of the regular collar). It might be overkill, but I don't like the idea of them wearing the martingale at all times.

I absolutely agree. I think martingales are great collars (when properly fitted) for walking your dog, but I would never leave it on my dog 24/7. I can easily picture the chain martingale getting caught on something and the dog choking.

I also don't leave ID tags on my dog while she is in the house. If your dog is crate trained or spends time in an x-pen, then the tags can easily get caught in the metal bars, which can lead to choking.

Bailey's ID tags are attached to her harness. She only wears her harness when we go for a walk. She used to wear a martingale, but due to her reactivity, she was choking herself, so I switched to a harness.

In the house, she wears a tag-less nylon collar that has her name and my phone # embroidered on it.
 
I looked at the leather collars on "leashes by design". They are beautiful! I wonder if using the brass chain would eliminate the grey coat problem? My dogs only wear collars for walks, in the car and during training classes/sessions. Does anyone know a ballpark figure for how much those custom collars cost for a sheltie? They are so nice!
 
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I absolutely agree. I think martingales are great collars (when properly fitted) for walking your dog, but I would never leave it on my dog 24/7. I can easily picture the chain martingale getting caught on something and the dog choking.

I also don't leave ID tags on my dog while she is in the house. If your dog is crate trained or spends time in an x-pen, then the tags can easily get caught in the metal bars, which can lead to choking.

Bailey's ID tags are attached to her harness. She only wears her harness when we go for a walk. She used to wear a martingale, but due to her reactivity, she was choking herself, so I switched to a harness.

In the house, she wears a tag-less nylon collar that has her name and my phone # embroidered on it.

I absolutely DISAGREE here. Your situation may be unique in that your dog only goes out with you on walks. But for most of us, we open up our back door and send the dogs out to play.

If the martingale is properly fitted then it would never be tight enough to choke. That is the total purpose of the martingale. There is really only one unique ring in the martingale that would cause it to tighten enough and not slide off the neck....and that is one little ring.



Of course, any collar worn outside could also be a hazard, I suppose. And I would also argue that a collar is a must for any dog that is let outdoors without a leash, even in a fenced backyward. Having had Indy do a Houdini on me last fall with a collar but without tags, I will never have him without a collar and tags again. He was let out to do his business, but the gate had been open and he escaped. You just never know. He wandered for a couple of hours...was sited a couple of times, but finally found his way home for dinner time (greedy pup!)

Personally, I don't hear alot of stories about dogs strangling themselves on their collars, but I see alot of stories of stray dogs without any identification .......Collar and tag your dogs. Microchip and/or tatoo as well. But a tag with a phone number is so much easier to get your dog home swiftly.
 
I absolutely DISAGREE here. Your situation may be unique in that your dog only goes out with you on walks. But for most of us, we open up our back door and send the dogs out to play.

If the martingale is properly fitted then it would never be tight enough to choke. That is the total purpose of the martingale. There is really only one unique ring in the martingale that would cause it to tighten enough and not slide off the neck....and that is one little ring.



Of course, any collar worn outside could also be a hazard, I suppose. And I would also argue that a collar is a must for any dog that is let outdoors without a leash, even in a fenced backyward. Having had Indy do a Houdini on me last fall with a collar but without tags, I will never have him without a collar and tags again. He was let out to do his business, but the gate had been open and he escaped. You just never know. He wandered for a couple of hours...was sited a couple of times, but finally found his way home for dinner time (greedy pup!)

Personally, I don't hear alot of stories about dogs strangling themselves on their collars, but I see alot of stories of stray dogs without any identification .......Collar and tag your dogs. Microchip and/or tatoo as well. But a tag with a phone number is so much easier to get your dog home swiftly.

You havent been around enough people who own alot of dogs than. I cant tell you how many different breeders ive heard the horror stories from, and not just shelties, but other breeds where the dogs have hung themselves with their collars. As far as the martingales there is a direct warning tag on everyone I have brought stating do NOT leave the collar on your dog un-attended it is a strangulation risk!!!!!! And with that one little ring in lies the problem!! It tightens but does not allow for it to loosen once its stuck on something suffocating the pup.

If you need a collar with ID on it, either invest in the breakaway kind or get them Chipped.
 
You havent been around enough people who own alot of dogs than. I cant tell you how many different breeders ive heard the horror stories from, and not just shelties, but other breeds where the dogs have hung themselves with their collars. As far as the martingales there is a direct warning tag on everyone I have brought stating do NOT leave the collar on your dog un-attended it is a strangulation risk!!!!!! And with that one little ring in lies the problem!! It tightens but does not allow for it to loosen once its stuck on something suffocating the pup.

If you need a collar with ID on it, either invest in the breakaway kind or get them Chipped.

Linda, I'm sorry, I have to push back here. And frankly, I'm insulted about your comment that I've obviously not been around enough people who own dogs. I've been around dogs all my life. And I read alot and rarely (never?) do I hear about dogs strangling themselves on their collars.

What reliable statistics do you have that support your claim that dogs would be better without collars because of this risk of stangulation vs. the risk of what would happen if they escaped the backyard?

In fact, I think, the risk is greater that a dog will escape the family home inadvertently, and without a collar the likelyhood of being rehomed is signficantly reduced.

MY experience? I've experience with lost pets growing up. We lost one, and found another. Both were inadvertently let loose. It happens with young kids....they open the door and the dog runs out with them...

Yeah, micro-chipping is great. But when my dog has gone awohl, I would prefer the quick phone call to me personally....not waiting for the pup to be processed through the Shelter and ooops...accidentally euthanized before they found me through some microchipping process....I think THAT happens more often than not.

And so I still do not agree on your comment on the martingale. If the martingale is properly fitted, I think the benefits far outweigh the small chance of the potential of strangulation that you portray.

Sorry, but can't sit quiet on this. I believe dogs and cats should wear collars, period.
 
I absolutely DISAGREE here. Your situation may be unique in that your dog only goes out with you on walks. But for most of us, we open up our back door and send the dogs out to play.

If the martingale is properly fitted then it would never be tight enough to choke. That is the total purpose of the martingale. There is really only one unique ring in the martingale that would cause it to tighten enough and not slide off the neck....and that is one little ring.

My dog does have ID on her 24/7. I didn't always live in an apartment. When I lived with my parents, we had a backyard and Bailey went out on her own. She always has an ID on her. I would never let her walk around without any identification. She wears a plain nylon collar (no tags attached). It has her name & my cell phone embroidered on it. There's no tags on it because she does occasionally go in her wired crate and I don't want to take the chance of her tags getting stuck in the bars.

When Bailey was a puppy, she was wearing a harness with ID tags. I locked her in her crate without taking off her harness. About 2 hours later, I checked in on her and her tags were stuck in the wired crate bars, forcing her to sit in that one position. I shutter to think of what would've happened if she was wearing a collar with tags instead of a harness.

I understand the purpose of a martingale and understand that when properly fitted it is not supposed to choke. However, if the tags attached to the chain or the ring itself snags on something and your dog pulls forward to break free, he can choke himself.

Any collar can possibly get caught on something, but I believe a martingale has a higher risk of getting caught because of the hanging chain and extra ring.

here's two links of people whose dogs had accidents with martingales
http://the-dogs-woof.com/2011/05/30/the-dangers-of-collars-first-hand/
http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com...sion/99876-collar-warning-freak-accident.html
 
Linda, I'm sorry, I have to push back here. And frankly, I'm insulted about your comment that I've obviously not been around enough people who own dogs. I've been around dogs all my life. And I read alot and rarely (never?) do I hear about dogs strangling themselves on their collars.

What reliable statistics do you have that support your claim that dogs would be better without collars because of this risk of stangulation vs. the risk of what would happen if they escaped the backyard?

In fact, I think, the risk is greater that a dog will escape the family home inadvertently, and without a collar the likelyhood of being rehomed is signficantly reduced.

MY experience? I've experience with lost pets growing up. We lost one, and found another. Both were inadvertently let loose. It happens with young kids....they open the door and the dog runs out with them...

Yeah, micro-chipping is great. But when my dog has gone awohl, I would prefer the quick phone call to me personally....not waiting for the pup to be processed through the Shelter and ooops...accidentally euthanized before they found me through some microchipping process....I think THAT happens more often than not.

And so I still do not agree on your comment on the martingale. If the martingale is properly fitted, I think the benefits far outweigh the small chance of the potential of strangulation that you portray.

Sorry, but can't sit quiet on this. I believe dogs and cats should wear collars, period.

My reliable sources are people in the dog community. Also My former neighbors dog hung himself...but ahh what would I know?

With that said it happens ALOT more often than you think with collar deaths/injuries. I hope noone on this forum will ever have to witness that. That is why I posted on the dangers of the martingales getting stuck in the wires of the crates/ex-pens/fences for educational purposes.

Just because you have not heard of it or witnessed it, does not mean it doesnt happen.
 
Has anyone had trouble with the chain part of the martingale turning the white ruff around the dog's neck grey? I have this problem with Lexi.

Yes, me, too. I fight it by cleaning the chain regularly with Wright's Silver Cream.
 
I absolutely DISAGREE here. Your situation may be unique in that your dog only goes out with you on walks. But for most of us, we open up our back door and send the dogs out to play.

If the martingale is properly fitted then it would never be tight enough to choke. That is the total purpose of the martingale. There is really only one unique ring in the martingale that would cause it to tighten enough and not slide off the neck....and that is one little ring.

Of course, any collar worn outside could also be a hazard, I suppose. And I would also argue that a collar is a must for any dog that is let outdoors without a leash, even in a fenced backyward. Having had Indy do a Houdini on me last fall with a collar but without tags, I will never have him without a collar and tags again. He was let out to do his business, but the gate had been open and he escaped. You just never know. He wandered for a couple of hours...was sited a couple of times, but finally found his way home for dinner time (greedy pup!)

Personally, I don't hear alot of stories about dogs strangling themselves on their collars, but I see alot of stories of stray dogs without any identification .......Collar and tag your dogs. Microchip and/or tatoo as well. But a tag with a phone number is so much easier to get your dog home swiftly.

I just re-read your post. You're saying that since your dogs aren't walked everyday and are alone in the backyard that it is extremely important that they wear a collar and tags 24/7. I absolutely agree with that. I think all dogs whether they are walked or go in the yard, should have some sort of identification on them at all times, whether it is a collar w/ tags or a microchip, etc.

However, I do not agree that a martingale with tags is the safest way to provide identification for your dogs when not being walked. The purpose of a martingale is to tighten around the dog's neck if they try to back out while being walked. This will prevent the collar from slipping off their neck. If you're not walking your dogs then there is no point of having them wear a martingale in the house or backyard. Just use a regular rolled leather collar w/ tags. Save the martingale for when you walk them.

Wearing a martingale unsupervised in the yard or house increases the risk of it getting caught on something and possible choking your dog. Yes, any collar can get caught, but a collar with a dangling chain or nylon and an extra ring has an even greater chance of getting caught. It's just common sense and I feel like a potential accident waiting to happen.

If want your dogs to wear a collar with tags when not being walked, why not use a regular rolled leather collar? If you crate your dogs and are concerned about tags, then buy a buckle embroidered collar or a collar that has a metal ID tag sewn into it like this: http://www.luckypet.com/categories.php?cat=301
If you are worried about matted fur under the nylon, then remove the collar once a week and brush the neck fur. My dog has never had matted fur under her nylon collar, which she wears 24/7.

Martingales are great collars for walking your dog. They fit nice and loosely around the neck and tighten up, if your dog tries to back out. I think they are perfect for shelties, who have little heads and lots of fur, which make it easy for a buckle collar to slip off.

Another site that warns about leaving martingales on at all times:
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5220998_use-martingale-collars.html

Just like food, vaccines, etc, you have to decide if the benefits outweigh the risks. To each his (or her) own.
 
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Well, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree here! :yes:

The conversation is already startng ito head south, and I'm not liking the tone that it is starting to take, so I'm going to step out of it for now.

One final comment......if you find the chain or tags tarnishing, brush them with clear nail polish remover......
 
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