White Factored Tri?

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Hey all! New here... I can't find information on the internet that is specific as I'd like it to be, so I figured I'd try asking here!

I have a tri coloured sheltie and he recently sired a litter of 5 pups. The mother has been bred a few times and we know she is a white factored sable. She's had a colour headed white (CHW) pup in a previous litter, and this litter she had 3 sables, one sable CHW and one tri CHW.

As far as I understand, a white factored dog must be bred to another white factored (or possibly a merle?) to get CHW pups. I didn't think my dog, the tri, was white factored at all, but how do I tell? He doesn't have any white on his stifle like the mother does, nor does he have any white that seems out of place anywhere else on him. Is there any other markings or signs that could mean he is white factored? Anything else I should look for?

Here's a pic of him from the other year if that helps - Turner

Any ideas on this would be great! Thanks!
 
Its difficult to tell the white factoring on certain dogs. Your boy carries the gene as he has fathered CHW pups...no other way to have CHW pups other than to have two white factored parents.
 
white factoring can be a "hidden" trait. To be white factored they do not need to have the white stifle.

Just like when you breed two dogs that do not appear to be white factored you can end up with a white factored pup. It can be in the genes. Does his dam or sire (pups granddam/sire) white factored?

Ive heard as well (which could be a myth) you can tell by the littermates if a dog is white factored. If you have a dog in the litter that has the flashy white full collar and more white overall and the rest are planish looking they are assuming that the flashing looking one can be white factored. Now I dont know how true this is as 1. it will only work if you have enough puppies in the litter, and 2. the puppies look enough different!

I know Rachael will be able to explain it better :)
 
I don't think Turner's mother or father are white factored - at least I hadn't heard of them having any whites in their litters ever. The father is a tri and the mother is a tri factored sable. But if it's not always easy to tell if they are white factored then they could be!

Thanks for the quick replies, I'll keep checking back!
 
The puppy(Kramer) playing with my shoe in this picture is white factored. He had NO white anywhere on his stifle at all. I know he is white factored because his mom is a CHW. WF is hard to know for sure. You can guess by the amount of white on the stifle but unless one of the parents is a CHW you never know for sure until they produce WF.
 
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Just by the fact that he produced a CHW (if that is what they are, and not Piebalds), you know he carries it.

There is a dog out there that sired 10 Champions (which could mean 200+ puppies in this breed) before they figured out he was white factored. They got a litter full of sable-headed whites.
 
That's crazy! Well it's good to know that's it's not ALWAYS obvious if they are white factored, and nice to learn that my dog must be! Thanks all for the input - I hadn't had much experience with CHWs in the past, or white factored dogs, so I wasn't sure of it all.

So my next question - What exactly is Piebald and how do you tell the difference between that and a CHW?

I'd post a picture of the pup I'm getting, but I did in another thread and it got deleted. I guess I can't even post a litter even if I'm not trying to sell/advertise the pups (since they were all sold they day they were born, lol!), so I'm not sure if I can post just the pup I'm getting either. Didn't see that anywhere in the rules, anyway...

Anyway, he has the tri head just like a normal tri, white body with a big black patch on the left side of his rump, one BIG black spot on the right side of his body, and a smaller spot on the left side. All white tail, all white legs/feet.
 
Ok so here's a few pictures of my pup at a week old, if that helps any.

(Sorry the pics aren't the greatest - I didn't actually take them!)

"Dmitri" 1

"Dmitri" 2

The sable CHW had about the same amount of white on its body.
 
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