Article on De-barking

It must suck for you to be on such a disparate time zone.

I have the opposite problem. I come home from work and there are 2 or 3 pages of threads to go through! Yikes! Can't possibly, and still be a responsible parent and Sheltie owner!
 
I realize this thread has been down for awhile, but I wanted to make a few comments.

Today we went to meet the breeder that we're getting a puppy from in a few weeks. While sitting in her living room playing with the sweet babies, we could hear both parents barking (but not loudly) through a full wall and shut door (sun room type) and when we went in that room, we could hear her remaining dogs barking in the yard.

All the dogs had been debarked but you could definitely still hear them from at least a room away, probably more if they were in the house-proper. All of her dogs were very active and have the full run of the backyard all day long. We were quite surprised at the sound. We could hear them barking but like the articles say, they sounded hoarse. They were such delightful dogs, very loving and jumpy, boinging straight up in the air! She recommended this to us as a last solution to a barking problem, but definitely let us know that we needed to try other options and let the dog mature before taking this road.

This procedure would definitely be something I would consider. We are getting a sheltie because we are young and active but we live in an apartment. We can give her all the exercise she needs but if she grows to be an excessive barker, I would probably eventually resort to having this done after working on training. I know that dogs typically bark for a reason, but not always. I hear my neighbors pursedog yapping randomly through out the day. Hopefully we'll have our house and a yard for her before too long.

I can definitely see how people could consider this a harmful procedure. When I was a kid, I remember thinking that declawing cats sounded awful, but I lived in the country where they needed to be able to climb trees or fight small animals that strayed onto our property. But now I see no issue if you plan to protect your cat so that it would never run into a situation that it would truly need the claws. I'm not getting a sheltie to be a guard dog, and being a light sleeper, I know I'd hear that quieter bark regardless.

In addition, I'm very sound sensitive and I absolutely know that I would still respond to quieter barks because I investigate every noise I hear, I will put my ear to walls or roam my apartment building whenever I hear something, even when I'm pretty sure I know what it is. If my one set of neighbors complain, I'll just let them know that I'll be calling the police the next time I hear them fighting ( can hear it over a regular volume TV ).

(Playing Devil's Advocate) I'd consider this surgery to be less invasive and 'bad' than having a dog fixed. Less surgery, less pain, and a shorter recovery time. I have had many pets in my life and I realize the importance of spaying/neutering to keep the pet population down, but if you have a house and a secure yard, why fix a dog/cat that doesn't have access to other dogs/cats? Obviously if you have to, if you signed the spay/neuter contract with the breeder. No errant doggies will be hooking up with mine, girl parts intact or not.

Anyways, to wrap up a long post (I tried to break it up into smaller paragraphs!), I've met my first debarked dogs today and it was interesting. My breeder is an awesome woman and traveled quite far for her lovely shelties. These dogs still bark, but the quieter noise allows for her to continue living in her neighborhood and to let her dogs have as much yard time as possible. They seemed totally happy and energetic. As others have said, if I got complaints about my dog, or if she had a barking problem that I could not train out of her, I would do this. I will not be counting down the days til she is old enough to have this done because I do know that I am taking away (or cutting down) something that she was given by nature.
 
I am glad you got to meet some debarked dogs before making a decision. I frequently offer to have people come to my house to meet my debarked dogs, so they can understand they aren't sad, unhappy dogs. Nobody has taken me up on that yet. Many people are just so set in their opinions that it doesn't matter what other information you give them.
 
I think that last line from the article sums up my opinion very nicely.

For people who live in close quarters with their neighbors sometimes it does indeed come down to debark the dog(s) or give them up for repeated nuisance barking offenses.

I make no secret of the fact that Edan is debarked and, quite honestly, he STILL has a pretty darn loud barker on him. I'd HATE to see what it would be at full volume. The only way you can really tell he's debarked is to put him around other barking Shelties.

My breeder debarks all her dogs because she lives within 20 feet of neighbors on BOTH sides of her house. Debarking her Shelties allows her to continue breeding, showing, and more importantly, loving her dogs AND maintain a good relationship with her neighbors.

I respect those who feel differently; everyone is entitled to their opinion. All I ask is that you consider our circumstances and the reasons behind why these decisions were made.

Sure, in a perfect world we shouldn't have to resort to debarking our furry friends to keep the peace but this isn't a perfect world. I'd sooner have my dog debarked than to have to give him up because my neighbors felt he was a continual disturbance.

Interesting article. I hope I'm not risking his anonymity to say that I recognize the Sheltie guy who's quoted, and know him to be a very kind, decent fellow who knows dogs.

It's intriguing to see debarking getting attention from the national press, particularly in an article that is so non-sensational. Personally, I would think it unfortunate if it were to be banned entirely in the US, because it gives those of us who have multiple Shelties and near neighbors a very viable option to help control noise. Our dogs don't seem to be any less happy (or barky) than they were before the surgery - they're just a bit less loud.

Very well said, I couldn't agree more.
 
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