Does this breaders requirments seem controling?

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3dmodeler

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She goes into written contracts with the buyers and while I do not know all the requirements, some I feel are to controlling.

- Cannot take your dog to a dog park with other dogs.
- must take it to obidiance training classes
If I could list the rest I would like to.

My wife mentioned one of the dog buyers came to visit because she wanted to talk with her. She took the dog and would not give it back to her. She said did little to train the dog and that broke the agreement. she asked her to leave her house and did not return any or a part of the 1,200 dollars which was the original agreed price for the puppie. The dogs owner returned to get her dog back and the breeder threatened to call police on her. She eventually left.


I even had a slight run in with her while wee were picking up our dog. I thought it was be cute to see if her dog would play dead and she grabbed my arm and said "you WILL not interact with my dogs and tell them anything to do...DO you understand? she repeated pulling on my arm and not letting go.
Personally, having security training and detaining prisoners, I could have threatened that the law of BC stated, Detention of any kind by unauthorized Law enforcement is illegal. Could have easily it her on the ground and into a arm bar but she let go.
 
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I understand there are some sound reasons for putting things into a contract, and certainly the two things you listed are sound things to do. But it does seem a little controlling and at some point the breeder does have to let go of the dog they have bred. I'd be concerned about a temper that sees her grabbing a potential owner.
 
Quite frankly, every breeder that I am currently working with to get a puppy has elements in their contracts that I feel are controlling. (And BTW, these are the breeders that my limited knowledge and my research indicate are good breeders with whom I should do business.) That said, while they have things in their contracts that I don't like, as a business person myself, I can understand why some of those clauses exist. Breeders (good ones) raise their breeding stock, endure the tremendously time and financial tasks necessary to raise sound offspring with (hopefully) champion (or at least sound) pedigrees. They then produce offspring which require even more care until they are ready to sell. At that point, the breeder's reputation can be adversely affected by what the new owner does with the pup. Add to this the fact that breeders care about the individual safety and wellbeing of their pups beyond maintaining good breeding standards. I understand why breeders have "controlling" elements in their contracts, even if I don't like some of them.

The larger question in this case is: "Why would anyone do business with a breeder that displayed negative behavior even before the pup was purchased?" I have crossed two breeders off my list of potentials because they displayed attitudes that I didn't think were appropriate (and these were both very reputable breeders).
 
Controlling and a nut job. Stay clear of this breeder. AS for taking a pup and not returning it, that is against the law. I know this because I have a very good friend, we'll call her Sue, that allowed one of her dogs to go and live with a friend of hers, we'll call Deb. Deb had the dog for about 3 years during which time the dog remained registered to Sue as the owner. Well, Deb ended up with breast cancer and succumbed to it. Deb's husband was an *** and didn't want the dog but didn't want Sue to have it because he never liked her - the feeling was mutual. The dog, about 10 years old by this time, was sent out to live in a dog house because it started to have accidents. Sue contacted the police and a lawyer and took it to court but there wasn't much she could due. The courts saw it as since the dog was being fed, vetted and maintained by Deb, the dog belongs to Deb's estate - her rotten husband. The good news is that the husband eventually found a new honey, and the dog did eventually get back to Sue via the children. He had a few more years of sleeping in Sue's bed before he passed away.
Breeders, me included, have terms that some people don't want to sign to. I insisted that the dog be neutered/spayed by 6 months, lived with a fenced in yard, be brought back to me 4 times in the first year, and that any illness would be brought to my attention at the onset. My dogs could not be sold or given away without imput on their new home by me. When the dogs came to visit the owners got a free grooming and usually fed. They learned that I was there for them. With the exception of 1 couple, we became pretty close to all of our clients and still get cards and dinner invites even though most of them have new dogs from other breeders now - our last litter is 10 or 11 yrs old. If you don't feel your breeder is someone you could be friends with, run.
 
Sounds perfectly reasonable. Actually the two you list are standard contract from what I have seen. I am sure there is more to the story about seizing the dog than you are aware such as signs of malnutrition or breeding the animal when specified to not do so or abuse. Obviously, this person is acting in what they see is the best interest for their dogs and their puppies. Maybe she wants to protect her puppies from people who, say, pressure wash their dog's feet.

BTW -- it is also not a good idea to give commands to another person's dog or pet wthout asking. The only exception is when trying to save that dog from harm in an emergency situation. You really shouldn't even stare at other peoples' dogs either.
 
don't think rules are too stringent, although the grabbing your arm is a tad over the top!

Even tho I you may not want to try handle other peoples dogs without consent, some dogs don't like to have anybody else handle them and they are insecure or scared, etc.
 
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I insisted that the dog be neutered/spayed by 6 months, lived with a fenced in yard, be brought back to me 4 times in the first year, and that any illness would be brought to my attention at the onset.
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Just curious, how did you handle the first year visits if the puppy's new home is farther away or did you not allow purchase outside a certain distance?
 
3dmodeler said:
She goes into written contracts with the buyers and while I do not know all the requirements, some I feel are to controlling.

- Cannot take your dog to a dog park with other dogs.
- must take it to obidiance training classes
If I could list the rest I would like to.

My wife mentioned one of the dog buyers came to visit because she wanted to talk with her. She took the dog and would not give it back to her. She said did little to train the dog and that broke the agreement. she asked her to leave her house and did not return any or a part of the 1,200 dollars which was the original agreed price for the puppie. The dogs owner returned to get her dog back and the breeder threatened to call police on her. She eventually left.


I even had a slight run in with her while wee were picking up our dog. I thought it was be cute to see if her dog would play dead and she grabbed my arm and said "you WILL not interact with my dogs and tell them anything to do...DO you understand? she repeated pulling on my arm and not letting go.
Personally, having security training and detaining prisoners, I could have threatened that the law of BC stated, Detention of any kind by unauthorized Law enforcement is illegal. Could have easily it her on the ground and into a arm bar but she let go.
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Buying a dog under those circumstances isn't really buying a dog. It's more-or-less purchasing a license to use the dog under conditions imposed by the vendor; much like a software license. I wouldn't do it.
 
My take on it is that dogs are the breeders property until sold and, as such, the breeder can choose whatever conditions they feel are appropriate to a purchase contract.

As a buyer you also have a choice. If you think the contract is not reasonable then don't buy from that breeder.

That said, some condition are pretty near unenforceable, and rely on your integrity as a buyer. At best the breeder can hold back the registration papers until proof of spay/neuter or obedience is shown - but a lot of buyers don't care about papers. How is the breeder going to know if you go to a dog park or not?
 
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