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Minnie is not a spinner 
- sometimes a single spin when she must have her dinner - but always before pooping.

- sometimes a single spin when she must have her dinner - but always before pooping.

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Yep and stay clear when Sca does as he does airborne spins
Deska's tend to be airborne too - always accompanied with barking. Watch out poor Tully if she's standing next to him. Deska loves spinning, he thinks it's fun - always reserved for when he's being silly, which is a lot.Then how exactly do you explain the fact that many, many border collies and shetland sheepdogs display this behavior - EVEN AS PUPPIES? I hardly think the (literally) hundred or so herding dogs I've seen are doing this do it neurotically. These are well adjusted dogs with stable temperaments. Just because you do not allow it doesn't mean it's not there."Spinning is a natural behavior in herding dogs."
I heartily disagree. There is no useful purpose to spinning when working stock. It would actually detract from the dogs ability to maintain contact and pressure on the stock. My stock-Sheltie circles in large (no smaller than 10 foot diameter) circles, and even that detracts from his ability to hold pressure because it's his default behavior when he's stressed (and always come-by, or clockwise). So no, I do not now nor have I ever allowed spinning as a "natural" behavior.
Then how exactly do you explain the fact that many, many border collies and shetland sheepdogs display this behavior - EVEN AS PUPPIES? I hardly think the (literally) hundred or so herding dogs I've seen are doing this do it neurotically. These are well adjusted dogs with stable temperaments. Just because you do not allow it doesn't mean it's not there.
Since I never taught or encouraged Zulu to spin, and he has never been around other dogs that spin, it would stand to reason it must be something in his genes. If that is indeed the case, I wonder what purpose it would serve? Some type of signal? For him, it is most definitely due to excitement.One explanation for puppies doing it is it can be genetic. I think there is a huge difference between spinning out of excitement, like my dog does, and spinning out of compulsion, which you will see in border collies and shelties and many other breeds. The compulsion spinning is the problem. But I don't think spinning out of excitement is necessarily bad.