Help for a basket case

Wyosheltie

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Seems that my new little girl, Spice is a basket case. She has bonded to me. She barely goes near my wife. She is scared of my sons. My youngest is still at home and she is scared of him. She avoids him. When my other two sons and my daughter in law and grandson visit she is also scared of them. Even my mom is here for my youngest son's graduation. She is scared of her too. Noises also cause her to jump.
HELP! I want to show her in obedience, rally, and being she is so quick and energetic she would do great in Agility, but I cannot have a scaredy cat.
What should I do?
Please help?

Tim
 
I am by no means an expert, but my gut reaction is to work on the fear first and, at least for now, put your desire to show her on the back burner -- the way back burner. She needs to feel comfortable with your family, and to a certain degree with other people and animals, first. That needs to be the priority.
 
And where did you get her? Breeder, rescue, etc? Do you have any idea what her parents are like? Are you her first home? Does she have any trauma in her history? It sounds to me like you will need to consult a professional, positive based trainer to help her - her fear seems pretty well generalized.
 
If I recall she hasn't been with you very long, so will need to adjust to the noise and activity in your household. Make sure she has a 'chill out' place, where she can get away from the hustle and bustle and noise, to decompress. Another thing to do is take her for a relaxing walk. You know how 'walking it off' works for humans when we get worked up, well it's good for dogs too. Maybe your wife can take her out for a little chill-out walk, it will help her bond with your wife if she's the one that helps her de-stress.

I will get back with some more help - just need time to think it through and type it up (plus some little more info about her will help). Don't worry about the obedience/rally, can't see that will be an issue.
 
There are some important questions here. The most salient is, how long have you had her for? You describe her as "new", so I will assume (forgive me) that it hasn't been very long.

It sometimes happens that, if you've had Shelties in the past, you remember what a wonderful dog you had... gentle and friendly with everyone, loyal and obedient, an easy companion to live with. It's easy to place that expectation on a new dog, and then to become frustrated when he or she does not measure up.

You need to be patient (and then more patient). Shelties, especially Shelties who come into new homes as adults, need time to adjust. I know, you're saying, "I knew that!" But when I say "time", I mean "months, maybe a year, maybe more, who knows?"

Let me tell you two stories, to illustrate the point (look, you can exercise your patience muscles while you read my stories!).

The first was Rosie. She was a bitch we bred, and then placed with a newlywed couple when she was about four years old. The wife had grown up with Shelties, and was so excited to finally have one of her own. The husband, on the other hand, had never lived with a dog before - but liked the idea of the wagging tail. Rosie was shy at first; she bonded strongly to the wife, who was patient and quiet and willing to work with her. On the other hand, Rosie was leery of the husband. He wanted a dog who would adore him right away, and he eventually showed his disappointment by "playfully" intimidating her (from Rosie's perspective, this was not "play", it was terrifying, and it made the situation worse). Eventually, the wife called us and, in tears, asked us to take Rosie back and find her a more suitable home. The husband went out and bought the Golden Retriever puppy he always wanted. (Rosie went on to live with a quiet, gentle retired couple who adored her to the end of her days. The young wife and husband divorced.)

The second was Belle. Belle was also a puppy we bred; she went to her new home, with an older couple, as a puppy. The years went by, the husband passed away, and the wife began to have catastrophic health problems. She asked if we could take Belle - now ten years old - and find her a new home, which we did. Belle's new family were very concerned at first: she would not eat, except through the middle of the night, she would only urinate in a specific spot in a park two blocks away, and she was flighty and nervous. They had had Shelties before, and were very concerned that Belle didn't seem to be bonding to them. Luckily, I live in the same city as her new owners (they're my aunt and uncle!), and I see them often. I recommended patience, and heaps of it! I encouraged them to stick it out, work with the dog, and not get frustrated (because, as above, frustration would make things worse). They did. Belle has lived with them for six months now, and every time I visit I am amazed at how much more relaxed and comfortable she is. It's been a slow, incremental change, but it's happening. And as her owners continue to work on her schedule, I know that she will continue to blossom.

I also want to highlight some things from your post that stood out to me:
"is a basket case": Right off the bat, you have given her a label. By thinking of her as "a basket case", I can guarantee that you will make her so.
"scared of my sons... scared of him... avoids him": And so? She just met them. Give her time to watch them. She might never adore them. They have the power in this relationship: the onus is on them to win her trust, not on her to come to trust them.
"my mom who is here for his graduation": Again, she's in a new home, with a new family, and now a new person is visiting. This is stressful for her; she is not ready to be a friendly-happy dog with newcomers.
"I cannot have a scaredy cat": Well, can you? I will be upfront and say that we place dogs who don't meet the criteria for show or breeding. Are you willing to place this dog if she doesn't meet your criteria for participating in sports? You may never be able to make her into not-a-scaredy-cat. Either be 100% willing to responsibly place her in a home that is a better fit, or be 100% willing to live and work with the dog you have. (And again, watch out for those labels: once you apply them, they tend to stick.)

You need to meet the dog where she is, in this moment. If she is new (six months or less), then I can tell you that she WILL improve, but only with patience, followed by more patience. Do not get caught up in "what's wrong" or "what if" (or "she would do so great in [sport]"); stay in the moment with her. Does she want to retire to the bedroom when company calls? That's OK. Does she not want to make eye contact with your son? That's OK too (he can start trying to win her: lay down on the floor, look away, and gently toss her treats. It will take time.). Frustration and flooding (that is, giving the dog more to cope with than she is able to) will not help - they will set her back, making you more frustrated and making the situation worse.

There are great trainers and resources out there to help you build confidence in a nervous dog; this post is long enough already! My goal here is to lay the foundation for you to let go of your expectations (and your frustration) and to give the dog room.
 
so I checked out your thread about getting a new sheltie posted in early April- so there you said that Spice is 13 months old and from a breeder.
depending on the breeder's setup, she may not have had much family time so living with you now is a very new situation for her.
even though she came from a breeder, you should treat her like a rescue and have so much patience and then some more patience. I'd recommend reading Woodbender's threads on Claire the rescue. One month isn't much time for a dog to adjust to a new life.... they all have a different timetable and you need to be patient while Spice figures things out.
My first sheltie was a 5 year old rescue and she did not eat for a few days after I got her- I even contacted the rescue to see what she had been eating. she took a while to settle in (~ 3months) and I did take her to group obedience classes- more for socialization than actual training. She did eventually compete in rally and got her rally novice title.
My third sheltie- also a girl- was an older puppy that I got from a breeder. She was a little like you describe Spice but we didn't have all the extra people in the house that you have. if something fell or made noise, she bolted for safety. She also went to a group class.
Patience and showing these girls that things aren't as scary as they think were the keys for both of them. Letting them adjust and take their time fitting into the new life without being pushed to do things allowed them to feel safe.
My secret weapon for both of those girls was that I already had a male dog who was pretty confident (beagle mix for the rescue girl and sheltie brother for the younger girl) and for both girls, seeing that things they thought were scary didn't phase the boys really helped to settle them down. One night on our way to obedience class, we had to stop by the pet store to get some more training treats. It was not the first time that we had been there but when the automatic door slid open, she jumped and you could tell that she had issues with the movement. It was the first time that I took her there by herself- all the other times, she had been with her brother who just wanted in the store to get cookies so moving doors weren't scary then.... She is better but still startles at things that fall and/or make noise. it's just her reaction isn't as severe as it was so it's manageable.
Dixie now has her RE title and is in Exc Std and Mst JWW so it is possible that your young girl just needs time and patience to blossom into the perfect sheltie for you.
 
Slow is fast with dogs. Spend time just living, playing, loving, walking calm places as a family and bonding. When I rescued Melli, my trainer wanted me to join a class in about 8 weeks after I got her. She wanted me just to bond with her prior (and in Melli's case teach her English). In addition, about this time, if she is about 14 or so months, there can be a pretty nasty fear period, so time to just build bonds and confidence. Maybe do some training at home for a bit.
 
A little history. We have had Spice for a little over a month. She was shipped from her breeder in Los Angeles. No info on her parents. We are her first home. She is almost 14 months old.
With Smokey our first sheltie. He was about 10 month when we got him. Me and my oldest drove to New Mexico to get him. IIRC He was closer to me and my oldest but never scared of the rest of the family. Don't know if the attachment of both where that we where the ones the rescued them. ( I was the only one to get Spice) Smokey was timid but not to the point Spice is. Spice does have her room ( kennel) where she can go but rarely does. It is a chore to get her into her room when we go to work or at bedtime. We(I) have to catch her.
Please keep the advice coming I will take it to heart and continue to have patience with her. I will talk with my family. My Daughter in law is a vet tech and just lets Spice be herself when she is her.

Thanks
Tim
 
Have you thought about getting a different Sheltie, one from performance parents, and just letting Spice be Spice?

I have Beckon, known here as Colonel Underpants. He's fearful of new people and unfamiliar situations. He did Rally, but decided he hates competing.We now only go to class -- no trials. Also, our animal communicator, Marta Williams, worked wonders with all our Shelties. You might consider a session. Her most important point for us was that Beckon hears what we say, and he was sad we thought he was a "problem child." We now NEVER say anything judgmental in front of him.
 
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