I think Eevee is blind after spay...

Whether in human or veterinary medicine, a doctor is not liable for simply an unfortunate result.
What they are liable for is not practicing 'standards of care.' For example, if I do a dentistry on a 16 year old dog, do no preliminary blood work, give no IV fluids, and the dog develops renal failure I could be held liable.
As to what is required pre-op for healthy appearing young dogs, that gets into grey areas.
So, really, both sides of the discussion are correct. - Dr. mac
 
Update

Ok. We took Eevee to another vet on Sat. She says we need to do bile acid test. Not an ultrasound first. So Eevee's at the vet right now... Again... New vet also doesn't think 5 UTI's Eevee had, was not UTI's since she was and currently is not showing symptoms of UTI. She thinks it might be related to liver issues or Eevee may have been in heat, although she was not bleeding. Also, she says Eevee's vulva looks normal and is not the cause of UTI's as I was previously told by my ex-vet. I'm soooooo annoyed!!!!

I still want to talk to him since he should be back from his vacation today. He better not recommend an ultrasound just like two if his colleagues. When I asked them what do we do if ultrasound is normal, they said do bile acid test. apparently that's going backwards. New vet said "We are not here to tell you to do unnecessary tests to get money from you. We are here to treat your pet".

Anyway, I hope the results are good and she doesn't need surgery...
 
I don't think any of this is anyone's fault. Eevee had no signs of liver problems so we had no idea. Low cost clinic did everything they could for Eevee during and after surgery. My only frustration is with my ex-Vet's collgeagues who tried to scare me to get very expensive tests done, rather than cheaper option. If that didn't work, I would go and do the ultrasound. It's just that I felt like they were trying to rip us off. Plus apparently their diagnostics were off. With previous UTI's, I asked for culture. They didn't suggest it themselves. I'm the one doing all the research and doing the self-diagnostics and asking them if x is what Eevee has, if Y is what Eevee has etc. Even after seizure, they wanted to just send Eevee home because I wouldn't do an ultrasound. I got so frustrated that they won't treat her. So I told them "you already know she has liver problems from blood works, so give her an IV and some drugs do she doesn't have another seizure!"

Hopefully new vet knows what she's doing. What she was saying made much more sense. I have a PhD in biochemistry, so I know what is going on biologically. I get so mad when they are trying to scare me with big scientific terms, thinking that I have no idea what is going on.
 
Jinee1 so sorry that you are going through this and hope that your support system is positive. I have been there and done that, I hope that you can put it in the past soonest and just be allowed to get on with whatever treatment is warranted for your baby girl.

OOO's and support,


Kate
 
Jinee1 said:
I don't think any of this is anyone's fault. Eevee had no signs of liver problems so we had no idea. Low cost clinic did everything they could for Eevee during and after surgery. My only frustration is with my ex-Vet's collgeagues who tried to scare me to get very expensive tests done, rather than cheaper option.
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I understand your frustration, something similar happened to me a couple of years ago when Sadie had her spinal stroke and we took her to the emergency clinic. Instead of doing xrays, blood work and giving her prednisone, which is common when there appears to be a spinal injury, they didn't offer us any kind of treatment, they just tried to send us two hours away for a $2200+ MRI. And they charged us $150 to do nothing and basically send her somewhere else. :mad:

My vet questioned them about this, since she found it unusual too. They said I refused all treatment and elected to see my regular vet. :eek2:

I don't know if you saw it but I sent you a PM a few days ago. Disregard this if you saw it. :o

I hope Evee continues to do well!
 
danisgoat said:
I hate to be the one to point this out to you Barb, but yes, you are out to lunch :lol:

Vets are not responsible for animals that have reactions to certain anesthia medicines. Just like if they prescribed an antibiotic and the animal has a reaction, it is not their fault. The same goes for doctors and people.

It would be different if the client said.....my dog is allergic to this type of anesthia and they used it anyway. But, without knowing that the dog will have a reaction, they are not held responsible. Nor should they be.

I hope that clears it up some for you :wink2:
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Danisgoat, I really don't appreciate your response here. I find it very condescending. What I was getting at was whether or not this was an issue of a low-cost clinic vs. a regular vet.

I expect better out of our moderators on this forum. You are supposed to help avoid conflict, not fuel it.

It now is clarified that this could have happened anywhere. Thanks for clarification on other responses.
 
Jinee1 said:
I don't think any of this is anyone's fault. Eevee had no signs of liver problems so we had no idea. Low cost clinic did everything they could for Eevee during and after surgery. My only frustration is with my ex-Vet's collgeagues who tried to scare me to get very expensive tests done, rather than cheaper option. If that didn't work, I would go and do the ultrasound. It's just that I felt like they were trying to rip us off. Plus apparently their diagnostics were off. With previous UTI's, I asked for culture. They didn't suggest it themselves. I'm the one doing all the research and doing the self-diagnostics and asking them if x is what Eevee has, if Y is what Eevee has etc. Even after seizure, they wanted to just send Eevee home because I wouldn't do an ultrasound. I got so frustrated that they won't treat her. So I told them "you already know she has liver problems from blood works, so give her an IV and some drugs do she doesn't have another seizure!"

Hopefully new vet knows what she's doing. What she was saying made much more sense. I have a PhD in biochemistry, so I know what is going on biologically. I get so mad when they are trying to scare me with big scientific terms, thinking that I have no idea what is going on.
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If its any help to you, my Bacca also has liver issues, but without symptoms. He is only 4 years old but had has wonky blood counts for the last 2.5 years. He has no other symptoms. He also, apparently is hypothyroid, but again without symptoms. Its only by fluke that we found it, otherwise it would have lain dormant for years and only surfaced later in life. He's now on twice daily regime of milk thistle for his liver and thyro-tabs for his thyroid. Hopefully, this will keep him healthy and stong for life.

p.s. I also reduced his protein level. I had been feeding him grain-free at 36% protein. I'm still feeding him grain-free but at 24%. I think the reduced protein made a huge difference. I feed him Now! Senior. TOTW has another grain free at about the same level. I think its the Wetlands, but can't remember off the top of my head.
 
BarbV said:
Danisgoat, I really don't appreciate your response here. I find it very condescending. What I was getting at was whether or not this was an issue of a low-cost clinic vs. a regular vet.

I expect better out of our moderators on this forum. You are supposed to help avoid conflict, not fuel it.
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Just an fyi.....the :lol: is when someone is joking :wink2:

Any more questions about what a :lol: means, you can take this up with me over pm.

Thanks :biggrin2:
 
danisgoat said:
Just an fyi.....the :lol: is when someone is joking :wink2:

Any more questions about what a :lol: means, you can take this up with me over pm.

Thanks :biggrin2:
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Sorry, emoticon's don't cut it. Your word's were biting despite the happy faces attached.

Like I said, I expect more from moderators than sarcastic comments.. Even with happy faces attached.
 
BarbV said:
If its any help to you, my Bacca also has liver issues, but without symptoms. He is only 4 years old but had has wonky blood counts for the last 2.5 years. He has no other symptoms. He also, apparently is hypothyroid, but again without symptoms. Its only by fluke that we found it, otherwise it would have lain dormant for years and only surfaced later in life. He's now on twice daily regime of milk thistle for his liver and thyro-tabs for his thyroid. Hopefully, this will keep him healthy and stong for life.

p.s. I also reduced his protein level. I had been feeding him grain-free at 36% protein. I'm still feeding him grain-free but at 24%. I think the reduced protein made a huge difference. I feed him Now! Senior. TOTW has another grain free at about the same level. I think its the Wetlands, but can't remember off the top of my head.
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This is great advice. Thanks for giving this Barb as I am sure that she is looking for all the help she can get in regards to trying to help her dog and move forward.
 
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