is it the dog food.. or am I looking at another cause?

Food

When I first got Shadow as a puppy my breeder fed Canidae and that is what I fed him but switched him to Pro Plan and he liked it but then I changed him to Innova and he was not crazy about it. I now feed Solid Gold (the lamb and rice) and also Flint mixed with the Solid Gold.Flint is not sold in stores and has to be ordered.
 
I think like you do-as long as the dog is thriving, why change?

(I didn't mean any offense with my first post about Purina, I'm sorry if it came across that way.)

No offense taken - I think I reacted because I personally was uncomfortable using a Purina product myself at the start because I also thought it low grade. I was a dog-food bigot and held the belief that if the brand was main-stream, it could not be good. Then I discovered the bulk of dog food is produced by the same manufacturers, just under different brands!

Soooo - what's the advice? Google on "what is the best dog food" or similar. Read all the various reviews from different sites. Determine if accessibility or price is a factor. Pick a brand. Phase it in gradually. If it works, you'll know within 1 month, if not, try another and phase that one in and keep trying until you see the desired results: firm stools, lively pup, healthy coat, no stomach upsets, etc.

I wish I'd done that with my forever Pup. Instead I lived with loose bowels for years!
 
No offense taken - I think I reacted because I personally was uncomfortable using a Purina product myself at the start because I also thought it low grade. I was a dog-food bigot and held the belief that if the brand was main-stream, it could not be good. Then I discovered the bulk of dog food is produced by the same manufacturers, just under different brands!

Soooo - what's the advice? Google on "what is the best dog food" or similar. Read all the various reviews from different sites. Determine if accessibility or price is a factor. Pick a brand. Phase it in gradually. If it works, you'll know within 1 month, if not, try another and phase that one in and keep trying until you see the desired results: firm stools, lively pup, healthy coat, no stomach upsets, etc.

I wish I'd done that with my forever Pup. Instead I lived with loose bowels for years!

Again, very true! :yes: There are so many people out there who are REALLY dog food snobs...on another dog message board, I routinely get knocked down because I feed my dogs Diamond...and I don't shell out $40 and up for a 20 lb bag.


And to add to Barb's advice, also google the manufacturer's of the dog food. Diamond also makes Canidae (that just started, I believe) and Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul.

Whatever you get, though, please make sure that it has natural preservatives (tocopherols (vitamin E) and ascorbic acid (vitamin C))...artificial preservatives (such as Ethoxyquin) have been said to give dogs cancer...I'd never chance that happening to my dogs!
 
Let's me run something by you guys and you tell me what you think might be the issue.

After a slow transition, we switch Jasper over onto Wellness Puppy Food. I was trying to find a dog food that would allow the puppy to poo less than what he was, but now it has become mostly greenish slightly running stool. There is no blood in it. He is perfectly fine from all count. He is basically acting like a normal puppy by all acount except for the running green stool. It not exactly running running... but it not firm stool.

I been reading alittle this morning and it talk about putting more fiber in his diet on a few website, among other mixer of reasoning.

does this sound like I need to switch his food? or does this sound like I really need a vet at this time? (I am one of those women that don't take the human kids to the vet just because they have a cold or cough, when I know cold medicine will work just effectively.) In other words, I don't want to be running to the vet on every little mishaps that is bascially nothing that could not been fix by common sense.

but if you think there might be an issue... I really need to get this taken care of quickly considering we are picking up Annie this weekend.

Beth~
 
It sounds like he's not reacting well to the food.

Try either Diamond Naturals (or Chicken Soup) or Purina Pro. With DN, it's the purple bag of puppy food.

Personally, I use Diamond, and I've never had runny (or funny colored except when they ate the crayons) poo, but every dog is different.

Try a different brand of food. Switch him over slowly (you can do it in 3/4 days), and see if that makes a difference.
 
protein too high?

I feed all my guys either Halo (holistic and never been recalled with no by products) and Taste of the Wild Salmon flavor,

I often wonder if the protein content in some of these high quality foods are too high for "average" dogs.

Trevor had been on Wellness White Fish & sweet potato for almost his whole life. He now has advanced liver disease....with no apparent reason. :(

I took him completely off commercial food & I now cook for him. After a consultation with a leading dog nutritionist, he is on a diet of organic veggies, tofu & pasta, mixed with digestive enzymes & vitamins.

So far, the results have been positive & his blood values continue to do an amazing turn around. Fingers crossed that the next blood work continues the trend.

Coincidence? I'm not sure.:confused2:
 
I was actually reading up on high protein causing liver problems, and spoke with my vet about it in the past.

She said (and the research I did) that there is no scientific link between high protein content and any sort of liver issues.

I fed taste of the wild, but I couldnt afford it anymore. Its $2 a lb here.
 
my pup has been on Wellness "Super 5" mixed with Wellness' chicken and turkey wet toppers to give her a bit of variety for close to 7 months and I have nothing but good things to say about it. The only time Cali ever had loose stools was during the transition from the old to new and they have been nice sold brown poopies ever since! Her skin and coat have also changed 100%. I get compliments constantly on how beautiful and shiny her coat is. Her skin was very dry/flaky and her black fur always had sort of a reddish haze to it in the sun and she would shed constantly! I rarely pickup any fur from her anymore.. Its always my furball ragamuffin cat that leaves the clumps everywhere! Baxter (my cat) is a completely different story though. He loved the taste of Wellness, but his stomach just could not tolerate it for some reason. His stools were from one end of the scale to the other, and he started having a really bad hairball problem.. I am still trying to find the perfect food for him, but I think I might have to checkout another forum to get that info :lol:
 
I often wonder if the protein content in some of these high quality foods are too high for "average" dogs.

I've read a lot of times that some of the 5-star foods aren't recommended for puppies or dogs that aren't super active because of the high protein.
 
Everyone has an opinion about the food they feed their dogs. All I can say is every dog is different and every food does not fit the needs of every dog. I personally home cook becasue I feel I can give my dogs the best in this world without having to rely on someone else to tell me what is in his food.

Now a days with the energy crunch and the credit crunch the dog food manufacturers are looking for cheaper ways to manufacture the foods we so lovingly feed our pets. Here is but one example of things I see and read along the way and because of these articles I feel compelled to continue to home cook.

Cross posted with permission from another board.

Subject: Ethanol Leftovers to be used in Pet Food


You can also read this article at www.TruthAboutPetFood.com/ethanol.html
Ethanol Leftovers to be used in Pet Food
The president of the Pet Food Industry thinks it's time for left over ingredients from the processing of eth anol to be utilized in pet food. Being more concerned with rising costs of grain products instead of quality nutrition, Greg Aldrich, PhD feels it's ‘time' pet food manufacturers use spent-fermentation leftovers. He feels it will be well received if it's pitched to pet owners as a ‘green' ingredient. Wonder if it will make pet's feel ‘green'?
As if the pet food industry doesn't have enou gh problems, now the president of The Pet Food Industry is encouraging dog food and cat food manufacturers to consider using leftovers from ethanol processing. Geez.
In an article on the Pet Food Industry website (http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=22862) Dr. Aldrich states: 'The production of ethanol has meant many things to the petfood industry - much of which hasn't been pleasant because of the pressure it has placed on grain supplies. But, maybe there is some redemption for ethanol production that petfood companies have overlooked these last few years. Redemption in the way of an ingredient - specifically the protein-enriched, spent-fermentation co-product known as distillers dried grains with solubles (DDGS).'
Allow me to interpret...The production of ethanol has raised the cost of otherwise cheap grai ns commonly used as protein in pet food. Ah, but I discovered something that we might have overlooked...and it's even cheaper! After they process=2 0grain for ethanol, the left over garbage still analyzes as protein - goodie for us! Jump on this gang, before the price goes up!
Dr. Aldrich reports on research of DDGS (left-overs from ethanol production): 'To summarize this battery of studies, the inclusion of DDGS at up to 30% of dog diets was reported to be acceptable; but, digestibility, stool consistency and palatability were measurably diminished.'
Interpretation: Using up to 30% of this cheap @#$% is fine, even though it won't provide much nutrition and will probably give the pet the runs (and big time gas!).
And Dr. Aldrich also reports on ‘drawbacks': 'One drawback to DDGS is the potential to concentrate mycotoxins, especially given that fermentation and distill ing do not destroy these mold metabolites. Nor is the ethanol industry obligated to operate under the same restrictions as the food and feed industries. In one extension report from South Dakota State University, mycotoxin concentrations for 2000 through 2007 were reported to be measurable in each testing year.'
Interpretation: There is one problem, and it's big... DDGS (left-overs from ethanol production) are extremely prone to a deadly mold that is known to be a killer of pets. Extensive research has shown it's very risky. But remember, it's cheap so it's probably worth the risk.
As if the above i sn't bad enough...Dr. Aldrich feels petsumers will welcome this change: 'Considering consumers generally have a favorable view of 'green' ethanol...' Well Dr. Aldrich, we might not all have a PhD behind our name, but we certainly are not stupid! ‘Green' pet foo d is NOT huge piles left in the backyard or litter box!
AAFCO (American Association of Feed Control Officials) currently name these types of products 'Distillers Grains', 'Distillers Dried Grain Solubles', 'Wet Grains', and more. We can only guess that if this becomes a popular ingredient, AAFCO will graciously accommodate The Pet Food Industry with a nice, safe sounding ingredient name. Something like 'Protein-rich Solubles' - after all...'left-over @#$% from the processing of ethanol' on a pet food label probably won't sell much pet food.
By the way, Dr. Aldrich reports there is no shortage of DDGS - last year there was over 3.5 million metric tons produced. Instead of pet food, the perfect place for this left-over @#$% to go is to produce BioFuel. Why not take the left over ingredients from producing ethanol and turn it into even more energy? Perhaps that makes to o much sense. For more information on BioFuel:www.TruthaboutPetFood.com/ByProductEnergy.html.
Should you decide to call or email Dr. Aldrich, his contact information is at the bottom of the articl e. Here is the link again:http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=22862.
 
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