scared/hiding six month old male, sheltin

In The Art of Raising a Puppy, the Monks of New Skete recommend linking the leash to your belt in the house. The puppy just goes along wherever you do. Perhaps if the focus isn't on him -- if yo ustart by hooking him up while youo're reading, for example, that might be an assist.
 
updates with sheltin

Sheltin... still scared.
I pick him up and take him out of his crate everyday and pet him in half an hour spurts or so while he lays next to me on the bed or floor.
As soon as I don't touch him or look at him he still bolts for the nearest corner to hide in.
Funny sidenote: after I had him on our bed, I left him in our bedroom and when I got back to the bedroom, he messed on the bed where I ''forced him'' to stay against his will. Guess he was showing me for trying to make him stay where he didn't want to be.
I took him outside after that...

I've had him outside as well, but as soon as I hook his leash on him he drops to his side in submissive position. :confused2:
I've sat on the ground outside next to him as well and he stays as far as the leash will let him go, about twelve feet (two 6' linked together).
I've pulled up on the leash and directed him to move with me, which he reluctantly does.
I also will tell him 'here' and direct him forward. He will with some resistance move forward and lay next to me or on my left foot.
Looks like progress to me :biggrin2:
I'm still a little weary about persuading him to walk with me, but maybe my thinking is wrong here... I figure if I keep letting him pull away and drop to submissive position, he's assuming 'alpha dog' role and will never 'obey' my directions.
I just don't want to be too aggressive or forceful with my redirecting and have him become more scared of me instead of 'respectful' of me.

He still sleeps in his crate, will eat only if noones in the room with him and will not eat if I move him to another room in the house. (yeh, he's still training me too!! :lol: )

puppy steps here with Sheltin.
I can't tell if he was abused or just basically 'neglected' in the sense of being left more or less alone for six months (or sans human company at minimum) resulting in his fear of people and things associated with a 'house pet'.
He doesn't mind our year old cat Rupert. He wags his tail when he sees the cat, except at night during sheltin's sleep time. He'll growl and bark at the cat when he wants his sleep time :smile2:

seems like I should be making progress faster, but I guess any progress is better than none.

after reading the above, let me know if I'm handling things appropriately. I am still not quite sure when he's so scared if I need to be more persistant and 'forceful' as in directing him where to go or if I should let him decide to follow when he's ready to...

thanks so much
Steve, (Barbi, Sheltin and Rupert)
 
I think you are right, he just didnt have that initial human companionship, esp seeing as he loves the cat. But he is letting you hold him and thats great progress. I wouldnt worry about piddling on the bed - he probably did it because he was busting to go but didnt want to displease you by moving off the bed where you left him.

I dont think anything about his behaviour is alpha. He is trying to figure out how to work with you, being submissive just shows he is still a little uncertain. It sounds like he has a good handle on basic obedience commands, I would try progressing this further and teach him more commands.

You are actually making great progress.:smile2:
 
Sounds like in 9 days you have made some decent progress. When you are there it is not as noticeable though. Maybe if you can find what he likes and expand his comfort zone. Like put his food out and maybe stay by but petting the cat with your back turned (you are in, his buddy is there, no one watching though) Not sure what to suggest but it does sound like you are getting him more settled
 
I agree with Caro. This is not an alpha dog; it's one that is timid and scared and needs love and time. I do think he'll come around, and my method would be lots of affection as you're doing with picking him up and petting him calmly and quietly. Eventually try giving him some high value treats from your hand while you're doing that...something soft that he really can't resist. I would not force him to do anything at this point until you've gained his confidence.

I wouldn't worry too much either about getting him to walk on the leash until you've conquered some of his other issues, like being close to you inside. If you try to accomplish too many things at the same time, I'm afraid it will just back him off more.

IMO, our dogs have to want to do things for us...it doesn't work when they do them out of fear or force, especially Shelties. So with this boy I think you just need lots of quiet patience. It does sound like you're making progress though. Good for you! Just remember, baby steps! Please keep us posted. This little guy really needs you.
 
I would try and throw the alpha dog thing worry and thoughts outta window... he is not doing this to be a bossy or get his way, or manipulate you.. he is shut down... Poor guy just doesn't know better yet...

I don't agree with that alpha dog thingee theory on the best of days anyhow. You won't ever need to show this dog 'who is boss'... if you are consistent, consequent, loving, earn his trust and have good timing for praise... you WILL turn this little guy around! You have made progress, so keep doing the baby steps you're doing.. don't make the leash walking a negative experience at this point, because it will get worse. Maybe let the leash drag if he is ready for that...

I agree with Anne...
also continue to work at getting him to feed from your hand, cheese, treats whatever it takes to get him to trust you. THEN you can move to walking him on the leash, because you can reward him built on the trust you have started to earn...
 
I agree with Ann - "quiet patience" and lots of treats are exactly what this guy needs. While you are socializing make sure you do not overwhelm him, since that can be counterproductive. Start with him meeting one new person at a time, and bring him to new places that are on the quiet side, not the loud side. Buffy always seemed more comfortable at places like the forest preserve or beach rather than around crowds when she was a puppy. Once he is more comfortable you can bring him to other places.

It might not hurt to get advice from a professional trainer earlier rather than later. Make sure you pick someone who focuses on positive reinforcement and not negative or alpha methods. Our friends at our condo building have a very shy beagle and they have had a lot of success with private lessons and regular socialization. They spend a lot of time outside in the summer, just feeding her treats as people go by. It does take time but Shetlin will get there.
 
all excellent advice...

it certainly is a challenge dealing with his timidness. I guess Barbi and I weren't used to or expecting a pup that would hide for the first weeks (months??) that we had him :)

Sheltin does watch me when I pet the cat with interest. Then when I look at Sheltin he'll lean his head back and cower back. I have to remember to just not look at Sheltin as much. Again, other pups I worked with didn't mind the eye contact the way this guy does.

But, progress with Sheltin using puppy pads consistantly, as long as he's near them or vice versa, is fine with me.
I just found it both amusing and a bit annoying that he jumped off the bed while I was home but then went back up onto the bed when I left to mess on the bed.

Glad to get some clarification on the alpha dog thoughts too.
I assumed his pulling away was from fear, but I wrongly assumed he was trying to dominate the situation to an extent.

A plus with this guy is he's definitely a smart one and understands what I'm asking him to do as far as the basic commands are starting to be understood.

We were just contacted by his former owner (the breeder who sold him to us) stating that, "he should be warming up to you by now"

well, if warming up means he's making some progress, yeh, maybe. But I still would state that he hasn't warmed up as much as I expected yet.
I'm certainly not disappointed with this guy, just still a bit surprised by his fear regardless of the affection, treats, and positives he gets.

I will definitely be spending more of this upcoming weekend with Sheltin next to me or at least in the same room with me... anxious to get him to a dog park or petco or shelter with other pups and kitties to see if he feels more comfortable with several animals. I am thinking if he came from a breeder and was outside, he was probably around a lot more animals and is probably withdrawing or maybe even depressed from missing companionship of animals.

He didn't mind the three baths he's had, he'll sit or lay calmly in the tub and look at me (probably wondering when he can get out), even with the water in the tub, so I think it's safe to bathe the 'mess stink' off of him...
and I haven't had him try to jump out, nip at me, or even lay in submissive pos'n while in the tub. NO shivers or shakes either during the bath, unless I change the water temp too abruptly. So I think I'll stick with bathing him every few days unless he's messier... the baths don't seem to be a negative factor.

still have to find his 'special treat' he can't live without.
He likes everything we've offered him. He'll eat it if the treat is left unattended, but he still hasn't found one that he'll take from my hand no matter what :) In fact, most of the time when I offer a treat in my hand he'll pull back and won't even sniff at the treat. That seems a bit odd to me still.

Also, he'll let me 'rake' him, comb and brush him without any issues, unless I tug too hard on a mat in his fur. His coat is pretty decent looking and feeling now too. Got all the 'nasties' out of his fur. He still 'runs for the hills (his house)' when I stop brushing or petting him... that, too, should soon change. :yes:

well, more puppy steps ahead...
looking forward to the days when I can take him and he'll proudly strut his stuff next to me. :biggrin2:

thanks again to all who have advised and suggested.

Steve (Barbi, Sheltin and Rupert)
 
Very cool. What if you put the treat on your foot? Or maybe the back of your hand (in a fist or not). Sounds like someone was mean to the little guy and he does not want to get wacked, thus the overly timidness. Not sure as most of my dogs have been overly crazy (though Mom had a Cocker that was timid). Good luck and keep it up, soon you will have a super lap sheltie (vs the ear attacking monster at my house)
 
It really sounds like he has been groomed all his life and NOTHING else!!!!! :eek2:
That poor, poor dog!? He clearly NEVER learned to be social with humans, that humans are fun and love and treats and cuddles... what that breeder did outrageous, in my opinion only! Sorry, but that breeder is only in it for the ribbons, again imho That breeder can dress it up as she likes, he should warm up to you now :rolleyes2:... but a dog that has been socialized at least somewhat would NOT be this shut down at 6 months of age. This isn't just a warming up issue, he's not 'just shy'... He's starting out brand new trying to figure out what humans do!
I feel very sad for you, expecting a loving companion and getting a shut down dog, that you can't even pet!

Having said that, you may try to use the grooming then since he is comfortable you touching him then... bring treats and try hand feeding him then... introduce happy noises at that time, too
 
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