Training techniques: Caesar vs. the rest???

Lacey'sMamma said:
There are no spelling errors. It makes sense if you actually read it...
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If you re-read it, you would find the spelling error. :yes:
If you can't even spot that, perhaps that is why your response in no way ties with what I actually wrote? Maybe it is yourself that should try re-reading?

Anyways, your attitude all around seems like you just want to fight right now. You can tell a lot from the way someone writes - is able to write. And as I've stated before, the caps, exclamation marks, spelling errors, and all around jumpled sentences once again only prove to me that you are not trying to discuss but just lash points without even trying to digest first. I understand this is just an online forum, not some high discussion panel, but if you've put out such a strong controversial comment as the one you did, I would have thought you'd atleast put some effort in wanting to thoroughly talk about it rather than using casual facebook-like talk to reply, time and time again.

As you've inputted yours, I've inputted my opinions. I'm not attacking you as a person. My response was just for that post I quoted. That's why I quoted it. I never said you were WRONG. I never said I was RIGHT. You can try quoting me on that, because it was never said. Maybe a little re-read on that response is also required.

Anyways, that's all for now. I really should be working on a paper rather than be up at this hour on SN. Maybe others will have more interesting points to note tomorrow? Will look forward to reading. Night.
 
OK folks...time get this thread back on topic!

Everyone needs to remain polite and respectful, regardless of your opinion.
 
Anticipating the worst I see... hahaha A good heads up I guess after a comment like that unresponded to by most so far. No worries, everyone here has been respectful, even with the lash of CM that started before Lacey's comment. But yes, this definitely has been a very interesting thread so far, any other trainers/training techniques out there? I definitely don't know any by name so it's been interesting so far to hear of the different people.
 
I also like to read about different training tips and interested in reading more.

I will say I am disappointed in the way some people train! While searching for different solutions to car chasing I was reading a GSD forum, most of the people talked about positive methods 1 person however said he cured his dog by tying to a storm grate and having a person slowly push the dog with car! :eek2: He claims his dog no longer chases cars. So does that mean we should all run out there and hit our dogs with cars because hey it worked for that 1 guy :rolleyes2:
 
Finding a REAL dog trainer and not relying solely on the Internet, getting the industry a little more regulated and being vigilant in knowing what you want to do with your dog and how.. is the key.


Be aware that there ARE better methods out there than hitting your dog or correcting it with punishment. Unless that is the kind of relationship you want with your dog.

IF you are looking for Instructors look up Karen Pryor, Susan Garrett, Victoria Stilwell (it's me or the dog), Dr. Sophia Yin, Jean Donaldson, Emily Larham (dogmatics dog training, aka kikipup on youtube) and the grandfather of it all Dr. Ian Dunbar.

Now THOSE are experts I would trust with ANY type of dog, but it is left to you to you to protect your dog from outdated, punishment trainers who are cropping up everywhere; it gives quick results to 'choke', 'check' or 'touch' your dog into submission AT FIRST. So it shows amazing response, however it is what comes from that type of thing that your dog learns helplessness and aggression, not trust and respect.
 
JessicaR said:
I also like to read about different training tips and interested in reading more.

I will say I am disappointed in the way some people train! While searching for different solutions to car chasing I was reading a GSD forum, most of the people talked about positive methods 1 person however said he cured his dog by tying to a storm grate and having a person slowly push the dog with car! :eek2: He claims his dog no longer chases cars. So does that mean we should all run out there and hit our dogs with cars because hey it worked for that 1 guy :rolleyes2:
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Wow, thats terrible! That poor dog is probably so traumatized.

I myself have had the most luck with positive training methods. Really, how can reward based training and building a good relationship with your dog ever be wrong?

Shelties want to please you so much that using force not only doesn't seem necessary in most cases, it can also be detrimental because they're so sensitive. Pulling a GSD behind a car may have solved the car chasing problem with no ill effects (which I doubt, btw), but doing that to a sheltie (or at least my shelties) would no doubt scar them for life. I don't think that is something they would EVER get over. I also think that pulling an animal behind a car is animal cruelty, NOT a training method.

I love the trainer I'm with now, I've taken her advanced class many times with my shelties and feel I learn something new every time. I love her shaping demonstrations and she seems to understand dog body language and psychology in a big way. She's a big fan of Victoria Stillwell and now that I've seen VS's show I see that their training methods are almost identical.
 
The very worst thing you can do to a dog? Temporarily withdrawing social contact. Works better than beating, shooting, or a tap on the nose. Most Shelties I've come across respond to it almost instantly, and most other breeds do, too. Dogs are SOCIAL animals, as are all pack animals. They disobey society's rules, they die. So they are by their very nature inately aware of the value of social structure. Only when a dog is highly mis-socialized or unsocialized will it become a problem dog.

The whole idea of training by intimidation may, honestly, have some basis in pack behavior. The alpha dog stays the alpha dog by having the other pack members be submissive to him/her. But given a choice, our domesticated dogs will (in most circumstances) avoid escalating a situation beyond the "snarl and growl" stage.

The hubs just acquired a new pack member, a JRT/Doxie mix named Gracie. He is not (as I've said before) a semi-pro dog person, just a hobbiest. I have had to reprimand HIM several times as to how he reprimands Gracie. I can't just stand by and watch him swat her with a newspaper or yell at her. I'm trying to train him to see what her body language is trying to tell him, but like most "hobby" dog owners, he wants instant gratification and hasn't the patience to train Gracie properly. That's why a lot of these "instant results" people get so much publicity.
 
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